[Gen6][3DS] Pokemon X & Y

[RicePigeon]

at least its not PranksterSwagwave Klefki... with Infiltrator...

 

inb4HowIsThatEvenPossible

[DarkWolf13]

At least Klefki is not in the Super Stage class... speaking of which, Golduck and Malamar aren't in the Maison at all... they should've been in the Super Stages, thanks GameFreak for excluding Golduck once again.

[MugoUrth]

I have to wonder, is Malamar actually good? It DOES get Superpower AND Contrary which can boost its attacks while it attacks, but... I'm not sure if there's anything else going for it.

[Xan]

There's a shitton going for Malamar. I've used it and absolutely wrecked good portions of my friend's teams using it. For example: have it hold an Iron Ball and run Trick Room. Just watch out for those sneaky little bugs.

 

EDIT:

[DarkWolf13]

There's a shitton going for Malamar. I've used it and absolutely wrecked good portions of my friend's teams using it. For example: have it hold an Iron Ball and run Trick Room. Just watch out for those sneaky little bugs.

 

EDIT:

So that's how players behave at Smogon if they see Klefki? LMAO!

[Xan]

Believe me, that thing is infuriating beyond all belief. You haven't raged until your entire Ubers team has been swept by a SwagKey. They argued for pages about how annoying it was and how to deal with it.

[DarkWolf13]

If only a legendary Pokemon with Magic Coat can deflect it right back at Klefki.

[Xan]

Lol, who needs legendaries to murder Klefki. Just get something with Own Tempo and watch its Swagger fall flat.

[Galvatron]

If only a legendary Pokemon with Magic Coat can deflect it right back at Klefki.

 

Lol, who needs legendaries to murder Klefki. Just get something with Own Tempo and watch its Swagger fall flat.

....or just burned it with fire. It is a steel-type you know. =P

[DarkWolf13]

Mega Absol with Taunt is the best counter I think... this is just off the top of my head.

[Xan]

It's more of a check. Klefki occasionally run Draining Kiss or something similar.

[Kanbei]

Believe me, that thing is infuriating beyond all belief. You haven't raged until your entire Ubers team has been swept by a SwagKey.

And then Durant does entrainment and destroys him. (Destroyed Mega-Kangaskhan this way :3)

[DarkWolf13]

There you have it. Every Pokemon has a counter.

[RicePigeon]

Mega Absol can't switch in to it because Magic Coat doesn't activate until AFTER it Mega Evolves.

 

Espeon may block the strat but its still horribly weak to Foul Play, even with its attack stat at the minimum possible value.

 

And honestly, who's going to run Own Tempo specifically for SwagKey? You may as well argue for MegaLucario's unbanning due to Moltres...

[Xan]

Or maybe something like Quagsire would work. Then again, some mons run Own Tempo (Lilligant, maybe Avalugg) simply because it's one of their best options.

[MugoUrth]

Swagger is a two-sided coin. One one side, you could very well cause your opponent to aid their demise, but it could ALSO aid the opponent. It really is a "Heads I win, tails you lose" type move that relies on luck.

[Xan]

Something tells me people are forgetting that SwagKey also often includes Substitute and Thunder Wave along with Foul Play. Think about it. Substitute means that if they attack/snap out of confusion, it won't do nearly as much damage as it would. Thunder Wave is rather obvious, leaving an even smaller chance of actually attacking and also pretty much guarantees that Klefki will outspeed them even with its subpar speed. Foul Play, well, runs off of the opponent's attack stat which makes Swagger all the more helpful.

[/rant]

[RicePigeon]

Its entirely luck based, just like Double Team/Minimize and OHKO moves, and yet those are banned....

 

 

food for thought.

[RicePigeon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHBc6RtW9y0

 

Dragon/Fairy Mega Latias deconfirmed.

Adaptability on Mega Latios deconfirmed.

Multiscale on Mega Latias deconfirmed.

 

I'm kinda disappoint.

[DarkWolf13]

Speaking of the complete National dex he has... all I need to is to make the eggs of the Pokemon I have... that should finish the entire National Dex and I can get that shiny charm. Wait... I have to capture them all first... Guess I'll have to nab that Smeargle then.

[Neo_Fire_Sonic]

....or just burned it with fire. It is a steel-type you know. =P

 

yes.

 

btw what makes klefki broken

 

the only time i saw it it lost to my blaziken

[Xan]

Prankster + amazing support movepool + best defensive typing in the game = Klefki

[PlasmoidThunder]

Nobody uses the Lum berry. That'd teach that damn Klefki, especially when you retaliate with Earthquake.

[MugoUrth]

Something tells me people are forgetting that SwagKey also often includes Substitute and Thunder Wave along with Foul Play. Think about it. Substitute means that if they attack/snap out of confusion, it won't do nearly as much damage as it would. Thunder Wave is rather obvious, leaving an even smaller chance of actually attacking and also pretty much guarantees that Klefki will outspeed them even with its subpar speed. Foul Play, well, runs off of the opponent's attack stat which makes Swagger all the more helpful.

[/rant]

Still, first Klefki must set up. If you can kill Klefki in one shot, it won't get to. And Klefki's stats... Not very good. It has average base defenses, and it's base HP is incredibly low, at only 57. Earthquake will rip through it.

[DarkWolf13]

And Klefki is still vulnerable to high powered Fighting attacks such as Dynamic Punch. Machamp has a bit higher Sp Def than Def but I'm not sure anyone raised a Machamp for Sp Def and HP like I did.