[Gen6][3DS] Pokemon X & Y

[RicePigeon]

I took the trial at the last minute... so 28 days left for me :p

[Galvatron]

I took the trial at the last minute... so 28 days left for me :p

Aghh! i should had did like you Rice.

 

Oh well! I didn't have anything to do with the money I have in my eShop account anyways. =P

[DarkWolf13]

I'm already fully satisfied. I managed to bring everyone from Black2 to X version. Just missing Slakoth is all. My trial already ended for Bank but I won't be needing it until the next game.

[Xan]

I now have what is quite possibly a full team and am ready to battle pretty much whoever. Hit me up if you want.

 

EDIT: Nevermind. I'm hanging X up for the time being. I need to clear my mind.

[RicePigeon]

So some competitive news from Smogon:

 

• Hawlucha, Mega Houndoom, Salamence, Magnezone, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Crawdaunt, Klefki, and Therian Thundurus have all been banned from UU.
• Swagger is now banned in UU. Suspect tests currently ongoing for OU.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-uu-council-tiering-system-info-bl-retest-record.3502698/

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-xy-uu-stage-1-reload.3502404/#post-5315217

[PlasmoidThunder]

Does that mean they're banned to BL?

 

Whatever that stands for.

[RicePigeon]

Does that mean they're banned to BL?

 

Whatever that stands for.

 

Borderline, aka "the ubers of UU"

 

Basically an extension of OU, buts its more "bottom of the barrel" than anything else.

[Xan]

I'm working on creating a more powerful team since my experimentation didn't end well for me. Almost done training up my new Skarmory.

[RicePigeon]

March 2014 OU stats posted:

+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Usage %   | Raw    | %       | Real   | %       |
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
| 1    | Aegislash          | 27.90818% | 809893 | 15.883% | 694622 | 17.187% |
| 2    | Pinsir             | 26.69869% | 738010 | 14.473% | 578431 | 14.312% |
| 3    | Rotom-Wash         | 18.30260% | 489064 |  9.591% | 412787 | 10.214% |
| 4    | Infernape          | 16.32486% | 265545 |  5.208% | 230313 |  5.699% |
| 5    | Latios             | 16.09185% | 501687 |  9.839% | 410824 | 10.165% |
| 6    | Talonflame         | 15.55763% | 845220 | 16.576% | 677246 | 16.757% |
| 7    | Garchomp           | 15.29208% | 669458 | 13.129% | 531373 | 13.148% |
| 8    | Bisharp            | 15.12157% | 565943 | 11.099% | 432128 | 10.692% |
| 9    | Thundurus          | 13.63858% | 321069 |  6.297% | 248429 |  6.147% |
| 10   | Azumarill          | 13.27708% | 561615 | 11.014% | 450511 | 11.147% |
| 11   | Tyranitar          | 13.15985% | 509732 |  9.997% | 414009 | 10.244% |
| 12   | Charizard          | 12.75664% | 318807 |  6.252% | 240088 |  5.941% |
| 13   | Deoxys-Defense     | 12.66017% | 165713 |  3.250% | 135026 |  3.341% |
| 14   | Scizor             | 12.58665% | 564920 | 11.079% | 443008 | 10.961% |
| 15   | Excadrill          | 12.37049% | 297160 |  5.828% | 251538 |  6.224% |
| 16   | Venusaur           | 11.16790% | 429319 |  8.420% | 339445 |  8.399% |
| 17   | Heatran            | 11.11335% | 287597 |  5.640% | 215726 |  5.338% |
| 18   | Blissey          | 10.57781% | 430516 |  8.443% | 323709 |  8.010% |
| 19   | Mandibuzz          | 10.09829% | 328081 |  6.434% | 265564 |  6.571% |
| 20   | Greninja           |  9.50005% | 709756 | 13.919% | 556394 | 13.767% |
| 21   | Skarmory           |  9.34221% | 314749 |  6.173% | 268893 |  6.653% |
| 22   | Donphan            |  8.79031% | 359421 |  7.049% | 269705 |  6.673% |
| 23   | Gliscor            |  8.44304% | 580418 | 11.383% | 454376 | 11.243% |
| 24   | Ferrothorn         |  7.57605% | 501525 |  9.836% | 434163 | 10.743% |
| 25   | Landorus           |  7.50566% | 98030  |  1.922% | 76425  |  1.891% |
| 26   | Dragonite          |  7.36232% | 506105 |  9.925% | 380257 |  9.409% |
| 27   | Clefable           |  6.32410% | 237632 |  4.660% | 188115 |  4.655% |
| 28   | Mawile             |  6.28505% | 263264 |  5.163% | 202992 |  5.023% |
| 29   | Deoxys-Speed       |  6.26568% | 93337  |  1.830% | 82866  |  2.050% |
| 30   | Latias             |  6.17458% | 113292 |  2.222% | 84336  |  2.087% |
| 31   | Keldeo             |  6.12934% | 84388  |  1.655% | 65281  |  1.615% |
| 32   | Kyurem-Black       |  6.07361% | 112426 |  2.205% | 84642  |  2.094% |
| 33   | Chansey            |  5.78850% | 137825 |  2.703% | 106475 |  2.635% |
| 34   | Gengar             |  5.66144% | 424875 |  8.332% | 320119 |  7.921% |
| 35   | Gyarados           |  5.53743% | 286813 |  5.625% | 228926 |  5.664% |
| 36   | Mamoswine          |  5.34965% | 267711 |  5.250% | 226121 |  5.595% |
| 37   | Entei              |  4.99778% | 272277 |  5.340% | 207733 |  5.140% |
| 38   | Zapdos             |  4.63492% | 384635 |  7.543% | 293014 |  7.250% |
| 39   | Haxorus            |  4.56452% | 316284 |  6.203% | 244926 |  6.060% |
| 40   | Togekiss           |  4.50210% | 371664 |  7.289% | 286979 |  7.101% |
| 41   | Shuckle            |  4.49345% | 80121  |  1.571% | 71959  |  1.780% |
| 42   | Manaphy            |  4.27730% | 73206  |  1.436% | 57749  |  1.429% |
| 43   | Politoed           |  4.17582% | 115488 |  2.265% | 86481  |  2.140% |
| 44   | Terrakion          |  3.98164% | 365867 |  7.175% | 265898 |  6.579% |
| 45   | Florges            |  3.82347% | 334888 |  6.568% | 259678 |  6.425% |
| 46   | Omastar            |  3.69698% | 81439  |  1.597% | 66145  |  1.637% |
| 47   | Octillery          |  3.67448% | 338622 |  6.641% | 275808 |  6.824% |
| 48   | Lucario            |  3.59545% | 281110 |  5.513% | 210734 |  5.214% |
| 49   | Sylveon            |  3.43476% | 306169 |  6.004% | 232867 |  5.762% |

 

| 22   | Donphan            |  8.79031% | 359421 |  7.049% | 269705 |  6.673% |

 

Looks like Smogon's primary motive for switching to 1760 stats backfired...  :blush:

[RicePigeon]

 

The silly things one can find on showdown...

[Xan]

Funny thing just happened. Some random guy challenged me to a battle earlier today. He ragequit when I got him down to just his Therian Tornadus. I wasn't even using an actual team, either. Just a bunch of leftovers from my Battle Box.

[RicePigeon]

Smogon's real March Useage statistics are up:

| 1 | Aegislash | 26.73850% | 850231 | 15.047% | 665725 | 14.934% |

| 2 | Rotom-Wash | 20.61236% | 789943 | 13.980% | 673462 | 15.107% |

| 3 | Charizard | 17.69628% | 1050649 | 18.594% | 838182 | 18.802% |

| 4 | Heatran | 16.81763% | 475554 | 8.416% | 398785 | 8.946% |

| 5 | Bisharp | 16.01688% | 350579 | 6.204% | 270982 | 6.079% |

| 6 | Scizor | 15.38761% | 678875 | 12.014% | 533426 | 11.966% |

| 7 | Landorus-Therian | 15.28145% | 314013 | 5.557% | 273244 | 6.129% |

| 8 | Thundurus | 15.17096% | 213302 | 3.775% | 172165 | 3.862% |

| 9 | Garchomp | 14.43553% | 619157 | 10.957% | 474854 | 10.652% |

| 10 | Keldeo | 14.30804% | 171594 | 3.037% | 134259 | 3.012% |

| 11 | Talonflame | 14.05399% | 728239 | 12.888% | 575964 | 12.920% |

| 12 | Latios | 14.03433% | 427143 | 7.559% | 318464 | 7.144% |

| 13 | Tyranitar | 13.38079% | 574754 | 10.172% | 465728 | 10.447% |

| 14 | Azumarill | 12.99523% | 565402 | 10.006% | 453740 | 10.178% |

| 15 | Conkeldurr | 12.20164% | 530484 | 9.388% | 429358 | 9.631% |

| 16 | Skarmory | 11.30993% | 387986 | 6.866% | 330738 | 7.419% |

| 17 | Excadrill | 11.09684% | 470832 | 8.332% | 355418 | 7.973% |

| 18 | Venusaur | 10.99775% | 489239 | 8.658% | 384048 | 8.615% |

| 19 | Pinsir | 10.85911% | 321977 | 5.698% | 240717 | 5.400% |

| 20 | Ferrothorn | 9.79702% | 603952 | 10.688% | 525193 | 11.781% |

| 21 | Greninja | 9.73069% | 805832 | 14.261% | 632024 | 14.178% |

| 22 | Gliscor | 8.96135% | 627190 | 11.099% | 488475 | 10.958% |

| 23 | Chansey | 8.67460% | 192258 | 3.402% | 147278 | 3.304% |

| 24 | Mandibuzz | 8.49423% | 309402 | 5.476% | 247887 | 5.561% |

| 25 | Landorus | 8.29454% | 121674 | 2.153% | 95828 | 2.150% |

| 26 | Dragonite | 7.86995% | 602750 | 10.667% | 453590 | 10.175% |

| 27 | Clefable | 7.82887% | 283540 | 5.018% | 221898 | 4.978% |

| 28 | Mawile | 7.17211% | 303268 | 5.367% | 232964 | 5.226% |

| 29 | Latias | 7.04261% | 159771 | 2.827% | 118837 | 2.666% |

| 30 | Gyarados | 6.88230% | 339392 | 6.006% | 270843 | 6.076% |

| 31 | Deoxys-Speed | 6.40328% | 110061 | 1.948% | 95822 | 2.149% |

| 32 | Sylveon | 6.33628% | 336186 | 5.950% | 253284 | 5.682% |

| 33 | Deoxys-Defense | 6.28249% | 135074 | 2.390% | 120608 | 2.706% |

| 34 | Kyurem-Black | 5.96933% | 153145 | 2.710% | 115096 | 2.582% |

| 35 | Gengar | 5.24819% | 489316 | 8.660% | 369137 | 8.281% |

| 36 | Mamoswine | 5.24168% | 294424 | 5.210% | 247411 | 5.550% |

| 37 | Zapdos | 5.12480% | 162102 | 2.869% | 129924 | 2.914% |

| 38 | Espeon | 4.84358% | 438780 | 7.765% | 330792 | 7.420% |

| 39 | Manaphy | 4.59531% | 113827 | 2.014% | 89451 | 2.007% |

| 40 | Breloom | 4.49416% | 373055 | 6.602% | 286807 | 6.434% |

| 41 | Togekiss | 4.26935% | 395636 | 7.002% | 304026 | 6.820% |

| 42 | Blissey | 4.13949% | 330651 | 5.852% | 246036 | 5.519% |

| 43 | Terrakion | 4.10812% | 132695 | 2.348% | 99648 | 2.235% |

| 44 | Hippowdon | 4.04051% | 86641 | 1.533% | 75761 | 1.699% |

| 45 | Infernape | 4.00994% | 386634 | 6.842% | 314563 | 7.056% |

| 46 | Alakazam | 3.93363% | 418679 | 7.409% | 304505 | 6.831% |

| 47 | Manectric | 3.58395% | 154060 | 2.726% | 127087 | 2.851% |

| 48 | Gardevoir | 3.51510% | 232161 | 4.109% | 174261 | 3.909% |

Goodra, Volcarona, and Lucario all fell to UU.

Hippowdon, Manectric, and Gardevoir are now OU.

EDIT: I'm aware that Smogon uses 3 month statistics to determine tiers, but since January didn't have 1760 stats to use, these tier changes so far are unofficial afaik.

[Galvatron]

Now that i had finish "Bravely Default" i'm back on pokemon X and finishing making a new team.

Also I'm going to retire my Eevee team  since I scored many victories with them.. I bet that good news for some of you LOL!

[Xan]

Finally somebody else is helping keep this thread alive. If I'm online, chances are I'm up for battling.

[RicePigeon]

After talking to Xan on skype, we thought it would be a good idea to bring some theorymon discussion into the mix.

To start off, the idea of an alternate Mega evolution for Gyarados (aptly referred to as Mega Gyarados Z) with Water Dragon typing came about. Following the tradition Gamefreak has done by making alternate Mega Evos physical/special (as seen with Mega Charizard X and Y as well as Mega Mewtwo X and Y), we came up with the following stat spread:

Mega Gyarados Z

Water/Dragon

Adaptability

95/125/79/60/100/81 -> 95/105/109/140/100/91

Gyarados has quite an expansive special movepool, but only has a measly 60 base SpAtk to utilize it (70 in its official Mega Form). By giving it Adaptability in conjunction with a bolstered 140 SpAtk, it becomes a stupidly good wallbreaker, 2HKOing most defensive and bulky OU Pokemon with the exception of Chansey. Just to give an idea of this thing;s power:

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 196-232 (60.4 - 71.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 496-584 (137.7 - 162.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Deoxys-D: 144-170 (47.3 - 55.9%) -- 79.3% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 178-210 (25.2 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar in Sand: 248-296 (61.3 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar in Sand: 180-216 (44.5 - 53.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 156-188 (40.6 - 48.9%) -- 76.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Mega Gyarados Z Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill: 272-322 (67.3 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 123-145 (34.9 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Dragon Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 214-254 (66 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 290-342 (95.3 - 112.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 384-456 (99.4 - 118.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-W: 148-176 (48.6 - 57.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 131-155 (43 - 50.9%) -- 53.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Adaptability Mega Gyarados Z Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 188 SpD Mega Venusaur: 158-186 (43.4 - 51%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Being able to 3HKO Ferrothorn on the switch in with a stab water move is no small feat, and Fire Blast utterly destroys it.

Thoughts?

[Xan]

Speaking of theorymonning, Arpa and I also daydreamed up a Poison/Steel legendary designed with Ubers in mind. The ideas of disease slowly eating away at its foes and other delightful concepts came to mind, so we figured a very bulky tank would work quite nicely. Thus, Titarnius was born and it is a complete beast.

 

Titarnius

Poison/Steel

Contaminate (Eliminates Terrain effects)

155/110/145/90/140/40

 

We came up with a rather vague moveset consisting of moves like Stealth Rock, Earthquake, and other moves that befit its role as a tank. A signature move came to mind, also giving it a rather deadly role as a trapper that can help guarantee safe switches and just wear the opponent down without a problem.

 

Attrition

15 BP Physical Poison

10 PP

Traps for 4-5 turns, deals 1/8 health each turn, initial hit has 30% chance of badly poisoning target.

 

Let's be practical and give some numbers to just how horrifying this thing would be to face in a battle, shall we?

 

0- SpA Titarnius Venoshock (130 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill: 276-326 (68.3 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 SpA Titarnius Venoshock (130 BP) vs. +2 4 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 132-156 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

0 Atk Titarnius Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 188-222 (58 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Atk Titarnius Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Genesect: 90-107 (31.8 - 37.8%) -- 93.8% chance to 3HKO

0 Atk Titarnius Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh: 340-404 (81.7 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Atk Titarnius Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh: 102-121 (24.5 - 29%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO

0 Atk Titarnius Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Blaziken: 210-248 (69.5 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 154-183 (29.9 - 35.6%) -- 29.4% chance to 3HKO

252 SpA Mega Mewtwo Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 206-244 (40 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Mewtwo Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 224-265 (43.5 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

4 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 208-248 (40.4 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

4 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Titarnius: 184-220 (35.7 - 42.8%) -- 92.6% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252 SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius in Rain: 259-306 (50.3 - 59.5%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252+ Atk Life Orb Ho-Oh Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def (Custom): 406-478 (78.9 - 92.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius in Rain: 424-501 (82.4 - 97.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252 Atk Mega Mewtwo X Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 376-444 (73.1 - 86.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252 SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 102-120 (19.8 - 23.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Black Sludge recovery

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 759-894 (147.6 - 173.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Genesect Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 118-140 (22.9 - 27.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252+ Atk Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 264-312 (51.3 - 60.7%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252+ Atk Mega Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 160 Def (Custom): 324-384 (63 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

 

tl;dr it walls four out of six of Ubers' S-rank threats, traps them with Attrition, and then just pesters them to death.

[PlasmoidThunder]

Oh yeah? Well I've got one too!

 

Say hello to Pゥ ゥ ゥ!
 

Pゥ ゥ ゥ

Normal/Ground

Huge Power (because why not? It probably would've had it)

232/147/145/12/136/128

 

Yeah, 800 base stat total.

 

Can't be arsed to record any damage calculations, but I do recall it was hilarious when I tested it out a while ago. Mega Kangaskhan couldn't dent it.

[RicePigeon]

Titarnius

Copypasta from MFG:

You forgot the calc against Xerneas with Attrition's residual damage in effect:

0 SpA Titarnius Venoshock (130 BP) vs. +2 4 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 132-156 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after trapping damage and poison damage

Granted since you need to use Attrition first, its a 3HKO. With the calc you posted, the use of Attrition turns that into a 4HKO. Besides, its not like Xerneas can do anything back to you.

Should also be noted that this thing really appreciates having Toxic Spikes support to make its job hella easier. You could even bait in a Defogger and switch to this thing just to trap them. Since the S-rank threats in ubers was covered, perhaps going over the A-rank ubers wouldn't be out of the question:

A+ Rank

(Arceus-Normal):

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 759-894 (147.6 - 173.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Titarnius loses

(Blaziken/Mega Blaziken):

252+ Atk Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 264-312 (51.3 - 60.7%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252+ Atk Mega Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 324-384 (63 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

0 Atk Titarnius Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Blaziken: 210-248 (69.5 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Recoil from Flare Blitz puts Blaziken near OHKO range. 50/50 for Titarnius

(Therian Landorus):

16+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 432-508 (84 - 98.8%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Titarnius loses

(Palkia):

252 SpA Palkia Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 127-150 (24.7 - 29.1%) -- 4.6% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0 SpA Titarnius Venoshock (130 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia: 109-130 (33.8 - 40.3%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO after Trap Damage, Leftovers recovery, and poison damage

252 SpA Palkia Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 170-200 (33 - 38.9%) -- 72.5% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Palkia Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 252-298 (49 - 57.9%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

Palkia can stall it out of PP if it has Rest or beat it with Choice Specs, otherwise 50/50 for Titarnius.

(Yveltal):

252+ SpA Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 160-188 (31.1 - 36.5%) -- 7% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

4 Atk Life Orb Dark Aura Yveltal Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 122-146 (23.7 - 28.4%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0 SpA Titarnius Venoshock (130 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Yveltal: 130-154 (33 - 39.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Trap Damage and poison damage

0- Atk Titarnius Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Yveltal: 164-194 (41.7 - 49.3%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO after poison damage

Titarnius wins, even if Yveltal tries to stall with Roost.

A Rank

(Ghost Arceus):

+1 0 SpA Spooky Plate Arceus-Ghost Judgment vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 144-169 (28 - 32.8%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0- Atk Titarnius Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Ghost: 78-94 (17.5 - 21.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after poison damage

+2 252 Atk Spooky Plate Arceus-Ghost Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 168-198 (32.6 - 38.5%) -- 54% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

+2 252 Atk Spooky Plate Arceus-Ghost Shadow Force vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 288-339 (56 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

Titarnius can wall it with Venom Drench while wearing it away with residual damage and Rest. Otherwise, both Calm Mind and Swords Dance sets beat Titarnius.

(Darkrai):

252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 85-102 (16.5 - 19.8%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 220-261 (42.8 - 50.7%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0 SpA Titarnius Venoshock (130 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Darkrai: 139-165 (49.4 - 58.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery and poison damage

0 SpA Titarnius Venoshock (65 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Darkrai: 70-84 (24.9 - 29.8%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO

Dark Void + Bad Dreams stops Titarnius cold while Substitute sets can block the passive damage entirely while setting up Nasty Plot. Titarnius loses.

(Attack Deoxys)

252+ SpA Life Orb Deoxys-A Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 265-312 (51.5 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0 SpA Titarnius Venoshock (65 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Deoxys-A: 222-262 (92.1 - 108.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Titarnius OHKOs back after Life Orb recoil.

(Speed Deoxys)

252 Atk Deoxys-S Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 56-66 (10.8 - 12.8%)

Completely walled by Titarnius. The only thing it can do is remove its black sludge and set up hazards/screens but otherwise walled.

(Dialga):

4+ SpA Dialga Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 158-186 (30.7 - 36.1%) -- 2.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

252+ SpA Life Orb Dialga Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Titarnius: 242-286 (47 - 55.6%) -- 74.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0- Atk Titarnius Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Dialga: 122-144 (30.1 - 35.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after poison damage

Specs and Life orb variants beat it. Defensive Dialga with Stealth Rock and Toxic loses to Earthquake.

(Groudon):

4+ Atk Groudon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 436-516 (84.8 - 100.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Titarnius loses.

(Ho-oh)

252+ Atk Life Orb Ho-Oh Sacred Fire vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 304-359 (59.1 - 69.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

252+ Atk Life Orb Ho-Oh Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 406-478 (78.9 - 92.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

0 Atk Titarnius Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh: 340-404 (81.7 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Titarnius loses.

(Klefki):

0 Atk Klefki Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 44-52 (8.5 - 10.1%)

0- Atk Titarnius Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Klefki: 152-180 (47.7 - 56.6%) -- 32.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Unless Klefki is running fucking Swagplay (lol), Titarnius wins.

(Scizor/Mega Scizor):

252+ Atk Mega Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 103-122 (20 - 23.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0- Atk Titarnius Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Mega Scizor: 53-63 (15.4 - 18.3%) -- possible 6HKO

Walls Scizor, but Scizor also walls it. 50/50.

(Zekrom):

252+ Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 168-198 (32.6 - 38.5%) -- 54% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 218-257 (42.4 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

252+ Atk Choice Band Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Titarnius: 252-297 (49 - 57.7%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery

0 SpA Titarnius Venoshock (130 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0- SpD Zekrom: 144-169 (42.1 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Trap damage and poison damage

0- Atk Titarnius Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zekrom: 122-144 (35.6 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Beats Scarf Zekrom unless it Volt Switches out. Life Orb variants can Volt Switch out of the trap. Loses to Choice Band variants.

[RicePigeon]

Swagger is banned. Fuck Klefki.

[DarkWolf13]

Swagger is getting a lot of hate.

[Xan]

I never knew that. And rightfully so.

[Galvatron]

To be honest 'Swagger' is one of those Moves I don't like personally because you are pratically help boosting your opponents pokemon even if thier is a chance for the pokemon to hurt it self however it will ware out and in alot of cases give the opponents pokemon an advantage (especially defencive pokemon like Tyranitar, Snorlax, Throh, etc.....). 

[RicePigeon]

The case for Swagger was that it was entirely luck based and makes the game uncompetitive. In previous generations this was much less of an issue. This gen, however, not only do we have Prankster (which was present in gen 5), we also have Klefki, who has an excellent defensive typing, who can abuse the strategy to no end. Incarnate Thundurus, who is now unbanned this gen, is probably the next best user after Klefki, who doesn't even need to rely on Substitute to block Paralysis now that his electric typing does that for him. Foul Play is only icing on the cake, and it gets even worse when you use a choice scarf Ditto as a revenge killer, as now not only do you outspeed your opponent thanks to scarf, but you now have a free +2 attack and possibly even more.

Even without Prankster, Swagger by itself was more than a nuisance, especially when you have shit like a team with Swagger Meganium ranking at 1760 (the top 2% of all competitive OU teams) on Showdown. Magic Bounce is really the only way to deal with it, except all of the Magic Bounce users are frail and one of them cannot switch directly in without first using a turn to Mega Evolve. So not only is the strat entirely luck based, but its also overcentralizing, forcing you to utilize Pokemon that otherwise have no place in OU (the same situation was seen with Mega Kangaskhan, which forced people to carry Sableye, Cofagrigus, AND random Pokemon with Rock Helmet that would otherwise never use it).

[Galvatron]

The case for Swagger was that it was entirely luck based and makes the game uncompetitive. In previous generations this was much less of an issue. This gen, however, not only do we have Prankster (which was present in gen 5), we also have Klefki, who has an excellent defensive typing, who can abuse the strategy to no end. Incarnate Thundurus, who is now unbanned this gen, is probably the next best user after Klefki, who doesn't even need to rely on Substitute to block Paralysis now that his electric typing does that for him. Foul Play is only icing on the cake, and it gets even worse when you use a choice scarf Ditto as a revenge killer, as now not only do you outspeed your opponent thanks to scarf, but you now have a free +2 attack and possibly even more.

Even without Prankster, Swagger by itself was more than a nuisance, especially when you have shit like a team with Swagger Meganium ranking at 1760 (the top 2% of all competitive OU teams) on Showdown. Magic Bounce is really the only way to deal with it, except all of the Magic Bounce users are frail and one of them cannot switch directly in without first using a turn to Mega Evolve. So not only is the strat entirely luck based, but its also overcentralizing, forcing you to utilize Pokemon that otherwise have no place in OU (the same situation was seen with Mega Kangaskhan, which forced people to carry Sableye, Cofagrigus, AND random Pokemon with Rock Helmet that would otherwise never use it).

Yeah that and plus their are pokemon with the ability 'Own tempo' and hold items (Persim berry and Lum Berry) that defends against "Swagger' so pretty much not even consider that move too special anyways.

[Xan]

Barely anything with access to Own Tempo actually uses it, considering they almost always have better options. Same for Persim Berry. Lum Berry's a bit too situational to be considered a counter to Swagger, anwyays.