RicePigeon

I could be wrong, but he may be referring to the link in the collections section directory. However, it seems to be working fine on my end, so I'm not sure if he's referring to that or to something else.

Yukari updated with the new system mechanic changes introduced with Marisa.

[System] Can now only perform a wall bounce once per combo. [System] Aerial normals now preserve vertical momentum when used from an air dash. [System] Can now combo into grabs. Normal throw tech time decreased (12f->8f), doubled tech time when used in a combo. j5z: Fixed erroneous sound playing at startup. Throw: Fixed erroneous damage. Now applies a base 85% prorate.

Following the announcement of "Touhou: Incident Zero" comes the second character in this style; the ordinary magician, Marisa Kirisame. This version can be found in the "Incident Zero style" section of the character downloads.

Link: http://ricepigeon.neocities.org

First release.

1 hour ago, StrikeFreedomGirl555 said:

You are honestly better off with chuchoryu's TVC/CVS Tekkaman Blade instead.

Only if you're a masochist

Meimu updated

Boss version now has a slight visual difference from the playable version. 5z: No longer causes a knockdown, now causes a wallbounce on counterhit. j5z: No longer causes knockdown against grounded opponents. Formless Movement: Startup decreased by 3f. Boundary of Shadow and Substance: Now a melee attack. L/M versions are now low blockable. "Eldritch Abomination": Maximum hitbox size extended. "Eldritch Abomination": Is now air usable. "Molecular Splitter": Fixed bug where opponent could be knocked out of attack early.

Koishi updated

Minor visual adjustments.

IZ Yukari updated

[System] Fixed bug that prevented Spellcards from being used during Spell Overdrive if Power is less than 1000. [System] Type-C alignment now allows up to two air dashes. [System] Wallbounces and Groundbounces can now be teched. [System] Hitstun values for attacks now use static values based on assigned attack level. Frame data adjusted to compensate for this change: 5x: Recovery decreased by 2f (Lv 1). 5y: Recovery decreased by 3f (Lv 2). 6y: Recovery decreased by 1f (Lv 3). 5z: Startup decreased by 2f, Recovery decreased by 4f (Lv 4). 6z: Recovery decreased by 7f (Lv 4). 6zz: Recovery decreased by 4f (Lv 4). 2x: Recovery decreased by 2f (Lv 1). 2y: Recovery decreased by 2f (Lv 2). 2z: Startup decreased by 2f, Recovery decreased by 4f (Lv 4). j5x: No change in animation data (Lv 2). j5y: No change in animation data (Lv 2). j5z: Startup decreased by 2f (Lv 4). j2z: Startup decreased by 2f (Lv 4). Bewitching Bait: No change in animation data (Lv 4). Illusion Manji Parasol: Recovery decreased by 4f (Lv 4). Illusionary Rift X: Recovery decreased by 10f (Lv 4). Illusionary Rift Y: Recovery decreased by 3f (Lv 4). Illusionary Rift Z: Recovery decreased by 3f (Lv 4). Full Moon Umbrella: No change in animation data (Lv 4). Fantasy Firefly Nest: Recovery decreased by 4f (Lv 4). Graveyard Flotsam: No change in animation data (Lv 4). "Unmanned Abandoned Railroad Car Bomb": No change in animation data (Lv 5). "Ran Yakumo & Chen": No change in animation data (Lv 5). "Phantasm, Foam & Shadow": Recovery decreased by 9f (Lv 5).

Please don't link to blacklisted websites.

At this point any further posts in this thread regarding or asking for citations or evidence about which hosting services are malicious or not will be construed as deliberate flame baiting and/or provocation and will be deleted on sight + the poster infracted. We've been through this same shitty song & dance routine many times before. This stops now.

Auer's original character and the final boss of Touhou: Gensokyo Reloaded, has been released. Get her in the Characters section.

Link: http://ricepigeon.neocities.org

First release.

Right, no more derailing the thread with petty shit and threats of legal action & other harassment. This goes for everyone.

@yuri linda Either keep it civil and add something relevant to the discussion at hand or expect another infraction to be handed out, especially if you're going to start slinging insults at others again.

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Ben Walmsley punchbag

Before I bring this up for discussion with the other mods on whether or not we should remove the character from the collection (as this constitutes borderline harassment), can I ask what possessed you to think it was a good idea to add this to the collection?

EDIT: Aaand removed.

Marisa updated

Voice added courtesy of PlasmoidThunder. 1 New palette added. Miasma Sweep: Fixed IKEMEN-exclusive bug with invincibility.

Just to clarify, the poll wasn't intended to be a determining factor in our final decision, but we wanted to get a feeling of what public opinion on the subject was.

Major Patchouli update.

Fixed bugs with cancels & command processing. Updated command inputs to current standards (courtesy of Plasmoidthunder). Adjustments to hurtboxes on certain system animations. Slight adjustments to airdash behaviors. 5x: Hitbox size increased. 5y: Hitbox position adjusted. New Command Normal: 6z. 2y: Hitbox & Hurtbox adjusted. 3z: Velocity increased. j5y: Hitbox now remains consistent during all active frames. j5z: Hitbox position adjusted. Summer Red: Hitstun & Blockstun decreased by 13f. Summer Red [Ground]: Recovery decreased by 13f. Summer Red [Air]: Now induces recoil, button press now determines angle. Spring Wind: Removed. Replaced with Sylphae Horn. Winter Element: Fixed bug with juggle flags, startup reduced by 1f. "Philosopher's Stone": Duration decreased (1200f->840f), chip damage on crystal projectiles decreased (5xN->2xN).

Reisen & Yuyuko updated

	Illusionary Blast: Fixed bug regarding crossup inputs.
	Grounded backdash arc adjusted. j5z: Hitbox extended downward on first few active frames, now causes a soft knockdown. Ghost Butterfly: Now disappears if Yuyuko is hit. Butterfly Dream Dance: Startup on all versions decreased by 1f. Butterfly Dream Dance [Y ver]: Damage increased (120->130). Butterfly Dream Dance [Z ver]: Damage increased (120/100->130/110).

I find it funny how I'm the "corrupt" mod when I'm the one who advocated for the site to be removed from the blacklist in the OP.

That being said, if neither of you are going to keep it civil in this thread then I'm going to have to ask you to refrain from posting here or risk disciplinary action.

The "war", from what I gather, seems to be primarily a propaganda tool used by some affiliated users to harass & intimidate authors and other communities while simultaneously stirring up interest in MA. It originally started as retaliation to MFG taking disciplinary action on some of their users for essentially spamming the forum with advertisements for MA, it just evolved from there to include any author or mugen community who speak negatively about them.

Of course we're not, but if we were going to blacklist sites for that reason then MMV would have been blacklisted ages ago, and we should remain consistent in our policy. I honestly don't think it's fair to associate the actions of a site's staff with the site itself unless, as I previously stated, they are actively trying to undermine the security of MFFA or it's users through the use of malwares, viruses, etc. So far the only thing Mugen Archive has done (if they're even directly associated at all) are the white knights popping in and proselytizing their mugen community of choice every now and then, which is ultimately harmless.

14 hours ago, Ex✭Cᴀʜᴍ said:

While the ADS switch (which personaly i can easy avoid), gething any money by using other peoples creations still is NOT okey (IMO)

Understand when comes to OLD i mean really OLD creations that in fact will get impossible to obtain (like from Retired creators, specialy Japanese and Chinese ones)

but suddenly upload NEW freshly released creations after minutes of being release in hopes of gething even a single $1 when they are avalible to download with no real issue?

BEING FAIR they could easily do what any other mugen website does and give the optional "Source Release Website/Topic" to atleast leave a nice comment, feeback, ask for updates, ECT to the creator but not even that??? Yeah no, keep it Blacklisted.

While I can't speak for MFG, I do know that the ethical concerns surrounding the money was a secondary reason why they blacklisted Archive, in addition to the use of adfly. The only justification for MFFA's blacklist was the adfly usage, which no longer applies. Unless the other staff agree to use their financial practices as justification for continuing to blacklist Archive, the assumption should be made that the basis of the blacklist should solely be their adfly usage or lack thereof.

On 6/8/2018 at 3:33 PM, Darkflare said:

Absolutely the fuck not. Not unless Archive gets new management to run their ship. Archives higher-ups do nothing but spew venom at everyone that remotely even disagrees with them even going as far as banning anyone that does so. I'm pretty sure they were the ones that told their members to constantly harass the other discords.

 

As long as individuals like Dizzy and Sol mantain a high rank position, Archive is better off remaining blacklisted as a principle.

My problem with this argument, which I've already addressed in the first post, is that this could be used to justify blacklisting other sites which aren't currently blacklisted. A good example that comes to mind would be MMV 5-6 years ago, when they were actively trying to persuade their users to boycott and undermine MFG. Then again, that was an issue between MFG and MMV which had nothing to do with us, but to the best of my knowledge MMV has never been blacklisted from here because of that. Do we condone what MA's staff do? I would assume not. But if we went the route you're suggesting, we would have to retroactively apply that same logic to other sites.

On 6/8/2018 at 6:30 PM, Flare-Gamer-64 said:

Yes. It would make life hella easier. Though alt links should still be a option. Although I do think I should personally send a message to the feedback form about community weekends.  Mainly about making it more clear what it is and changing the banner to make it more obvious it is a community weekend. And as of late I've been including alternate links when possible.

The use of alternate links could still be encouraged on the basis of reliability (again, regarding the aforementioned community weekend events that temporarily make downloads unavailable to non-registered users). Of course, this would be something that would be up to the discretion of the ones responsible for creating the collection threads, rather than something that staff would actively police as we are currently doing.

On 6/9/2018 at 2:10 PM, PlasmoidThunder said:

I've already said my part on Discord and it generally boils down to them very easily reinstating the ad referral at any given time, as they have done before.

Had they been reinstating the ad referrals on a more frequent basis then I don't think we'd even be having this discussion in the first place. Afaik, it's only happened once so far and their current policy has been in place for some time that I think we can confidently consider the idea of de-blacklisting them without fear of such a decision biting us in the rear too soon. If they decide to reinstate adfly 2 years from now then that's a different story and we'll handle it then.

On 6/10/2018 at 10:06 AM, AxSeeker said:

 

Mugen Archive has declared that they are no longer concerned with the rest of the mugen community (they don't care about the blacklist anymore) and instead are going to focus on their community instead and work on improving the website/forum for their own members. I know this firsthand as I'm usually over there actively participating there.

 

Personally (concerning the blacklist) I think the big issue was that losing the shared traffic from MFG to MA was going to affect the Archive Community negatively; however, the forum/website is growing and has strong & steady activity despite the blacklist policy from MFG and any others. It was initially perceived that it would have a big impact given that MFG has great influence over other mugen communities such as mugenfreeforall (included in support of the blacklist).

 

MugenMultiverse also had a similar panic when their hosting was booted out of guild after the admins had a personal squabble.  

 

However,

 

I think Mugen Archive is pretty much moving on now seeing that there was no threat after all. The Archive's content collecting service is valuable enough to keep it relevant in the mugen community alone. The visiting/activity and downloads count pretty much confirms this assessment. People will visit it regardless of linking from other websites/forums just because of the content collection on dedicated servers and the community desire for that content on these servers. 

 

Whatever mugenfreeforall wants to do in regards to Mugen Archive links has to consider the positives and the negatives.

 

+ The positives are that additional links to a download would be greatly appreciated by its members in case of expired links, just having more options to download from wherever, would be very appreciated by their community. No one wants expired/dead links...

 

- The negative that I can see is that just by having links to Mugen Archive here on mugen free for all,, Mugenfreeforall may very well lose shared traffic from Mugen fighters Guild and may themselves be included in mugen fighters guild's blacklist! Basically being a third party "gateway" may be enough to kick freeforall out of (MFG's) their loop. Given that mffa supported the blacklist may indicate that they rely on mfg's linking privileges and shared traffic exposure; that or they really are concerned about ads and possible viruses. 

 

 

To be personally honest (please don't be offended) as a member with mugen free for all, I just visit here to check on my old threads periodically but I'm considering duplicating them to mugen archive, NO offense! The truth is I hardly download here because archive pretty much has everything guild and freeforall have but in one location with links that don't expire! Though I am still fond of the freeforall community and I think it can continue strong and the mugen community in general would benefit from more mugen communities in general as there are hardly anymore out here these days except for the same ones that seem to get smaller and smaller. 

 

So I recommend one of 2 things to keep this place hip and happening. 

 

1, get creator activity like MFG or mugenmultiverse. Members such as myself like new, and want more. If you can get member activity up by doing more wips and releasing new stuff, it can benefit traffic here greatly like it does mfg or mugenmultiverse. 

 

or

 

2, adopt a similar system to mugen archive and host content directly to mffa and build a real warehouse/database. I would certainly and personally appreciate this as a member and would visit here to download as well, especially if I can't find the content I'm looking for in archive, it could be found here! Also if a server should fail elsewhere then you would be an alternative source. Members hates website/forum maintenance, and they will go other places to get their mugen fix. 

 

The issue though is putting more money to get that hosting is a gamble, if no one visits even after the direct hosting service is instated then you basically blew a lot of money on little to no pay back at all and then you're just out. Also if you do decide to go this route, you will have to seriously consider putting in ads to help with the additional cost or get donations of some sort to help support this.

 

 

Anyway, my best wishes to mffa and I hope whatever you choose goes well for this place. Good luck ;)

 

This isn't really about traffic, and I don't think it ever was. MFG's basis for the blacklist was both the adfly usage and monetization, while ours was based solely on the adfly usage. While it is true that there is an overlap between members of MFFA that are also members of MFG, the same can easily be said of any other mugen community that this really shouldn't be a factor in decision making. A few other places such as Mugen Database have also blacklisted Archive on the basis of their ad referrals. If our policies coincide with MFG's, then that would just be pure coincidence, not evidence of collusion.

Additionally, there's an inherent risk involved with direct hosting files on our server, including legal problems which should be self-explanatory, so I won't list those here. For starters, we just recently had bandwidth issues over the past few months, and that's without direct hosting content. The other big factor is that creations, especially recent ones, tend to get updated rather frequently and it would be more convenient to simply link to the author's web page/onedrive so that we can guarantee those visiting our collections can find the most up-to-date version of a creation. The only real instances where we use third-party hosting like mediafire in our collection threads is when the author's site is offline and no longer available and the author is currently inactive, or if the author's site/download links utilize a blacklisted url such as mugenarchive or 4shared.

Lie Meiling, Kanako, & Utsuho updated

	Fixed bug where Lie would be unable to perform a grab in certain situations.
	2x: Hitbox repositioned. Startup increased by 1f. 2y: Recovery increased by 4f, now hits Mid. j5z: Startup increased by 2f.
	Movement velocities slightly adjusted. 5y: Recovery increased by 2f. 2y: Damage decreased (80->70). j5y: Damage decreased (90->80). j5z: Damage decreased (125->110), hitboxes adjusted, now causes a Knockdown. j6z: Damage decreased (110->100). Control Rod [Lv 2]: Recovery increased by 6f on ground versions. Control Rod [Lv 3]: Recovery increased by 6f on ground versions.