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[Gen6] Tier List: Shaymin-S banned from Doubles OU (08/20/15)


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Singles Global Bans & Clauses (All tiers except AG):
Banned Moves: Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Sheer Cold, Swagger
Banned Abilities: Moody

Banned Mega Evolutions: 384-m.png
Restricted Items: Leppa Berry (cannot be used with Heal Pulse+Recovery move, Recycle+Pain Split, or Recycle+Fling)
Sleep Clause: Cannot induce sleep to more than one Pokémon on the opposing team at the same time, except through the move Rest.
Species Clause: Cannot use more than Pokemon with the same Pokedex number on the same team. This includes alternate formes and Mega Evolutions.
 

 

 

Untiered (Pokemon that do not currently belong to any tier as they have either not yet been released, have been released but are still pending tiering based on their OU useage, or cannot be tiered independently from another form of the same species.)
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Projected tiering: 648-p.png(RU with 648.png)

 

 

Singles AG (can only be used in AG Singles matches)
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Banned Moves: N/A
Banned Abilities: N/A
Banned Items: N/A
Banned Mega Evolutions: N/A
Restricted Moves: N/A
Restricted Items: N/A
Current Suspect Test(s): N/A

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Singles Ubers - Smogon Version (can only be used in AG & Ubers Singles matches) (Last updated 06/05/15)
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Banned Moves: N/A
Banned Abilities: N/A
Banned Items: N/A

Banned Mega Evolutions: 384-m.png
Restricted Moves: N/A
Restricted Items: N/A
Current Suspect Test(s): N/A

 

 

Singles Ubers - Pokemon Online Version (can only be used in AG & Ubers Singles matches) (Last updated 06/05/15)
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Banned Moves: Swagger
Banned Abilities: N/A
Banned Items: N/A

Banned Mega Evolutions: 384-m.png
Restricted Moves: N/A
Restricted Items: N/A
Current Suspect Test(s): N/A

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Singles OU - Smogon Version (can only be used in AG, Ubers & OU Singles matches) (Last updated 08/19/15)
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Banned Moves: Double Team, Minimize
Banned Abilities: N/A
Banned Items: Gengarite, Kangaskhanite, Lucarionite, Mawilite, Salamencite, Soul Dew
Restricted Moves: Baton Pass (only 1 per team, cannot pass Speed + any other stat boost)
Restricted Items: N/A
Current Suspect Test(s): N/A
Queued Suspect Test(s): N/A

 

 

Singles BL - Smogon Version (can only be used in AG, Ubers & OU Singles matches)
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Singles UU - Smogon Version (can only be used in AG, Ubers, OU, and UU Singles matches) (Last updated 08/19/15)
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Banned Moves: Double Team, Minimize
Banned Abilities: Drizzle, Drought, Shadow Tag
Banned Items: Alakazite, Galladite, Heracronite, Kangaskhanite, Lucarionite, Mawilite, Medichamite, Pidgeotite, Pinsirite
Restricted Moves: Baton Pass (only 1 per team, cannot pass Speed + any other stat boost)
Restricted Items: N/A
Current Suspect Test(s): Drizzle (BL UU), Drought (BL UU)

 

Singles BL2 - Smogon Version (can only be used in AG, Ubers, OU, and UU Singles matches)
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Singles RU - Smogon Version (can only be used in AG, Ubers, OU, UU, and RU Singles matches) (Last updated 08/19/15)
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Banned Moves: Double Team, Minimize
Banned Abilities: Drizzle, Drought, Shadow Tag
Banned Items: Galladite, Houndoominite, Kangaskhanite, Mawilite, Pinsirite
Restricted Moves: Baton Pass (only 1 per team, cannot pass Speed + any other stat boost)
Restricted Items: N/A
Current Suspect Test(s): N/A
 
Singles BL3 - Smogon Version (can only be used in AG, Ubers, OU, UU, and RU Singles matches)
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Singles NU - Smogon Version (can only be used in AG, Ubers, OU, UU, RU, and NU Singles matches) (Last updated 08/03/15)
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Banned Moves: Double Team, Minimize
Banned Abilities: Drizzle, Drought, Shadow Tag
Banned Items: Cameruptite, Kangaskhanite, Mawilite, Pinsirite
Restricted Moves: Baton Pass (only 1 per team, cannot pass Speed + any other stat boost)
Restricted Items: N/A
Current Suspect Test(s): N/A

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Singles PU - Smogon Version (can be used in any Singles matches)

  Any Pokemon not listed in the above Singles tiers or Untiered.

Banned Moves: Double Team, Minimize, Assist, Attract, Confuse Ray, Flatter, Supersonic, Sweet Kiss, Teeter Dance
Banned Abilities: Drizzle, Drought, Shadow Tag
Banned Items: Focus Band, King's Rock, Lax Incense, Quick Claw, Razor Claw, Razor Fang
Restricted Moves: Baton Pass (only 1 per team, cannot be used with Shell Smash or Speed Boost, cannot pass Speed + any other stat boost), Knock Off (only 1 per team)
Restricted Items: N/A
Current Suspect Test(s): N/A

 

 

Pokemon Online currently does not have any equivalent tier to Smogon's NU tier.

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The January 2015 Tier updates are here:

 

 

Singles

 

Rises

428.png: RU -> OU

428-m.png: BL -> OU

334.png: UU -> OU

334-m.png: BL -> OU

475.png: RU -> OU
t1uu1nb.png: BL -> OU

319.png: RU -> UU

AKSQwc4.png: RU -> UU

675.png: BL3 -> RU

685.png: BL3 -> RU

323.png: PU -> NU

323-m.png: PU -> NU

569.png: BL4 -> NU

362.png: PU -> NU

226.png: PU -> NU

 

 

Drops

308.png: OU -> UU

308-m.png: OU -> BL

195.png: UU -> RU

303.png: UU -> RU

202.png: NU -> PU

 

 

Doubles

 

Rises

Y63zdgN.png: D.OU -> D.Ubers

323.png: D.UU -> D.OU

323-m.png: D.UU -> D.OU

386a.png: D.UU -> D.OU

678.png: D.UU -> D.OU

376.png: D.UU -> D.OU

376-m.png: D.UU -> D.OU

151.png: D.UU -> D.OU

233.png: D.UU -> D.OU

254.png: D.UU -> D.OU

ns1PnDU.png: D.UU -> D.OU

080.png: D.UU -> D.OU

x568l7X.png: D.UU -> D.OU

245.png: D.UU -> D.OU

260.png: D.UU -> D.OU

vSaxZS9.png: D.UU -> D.OU

 

Drops

460.png: D.OU -> D.UU

460-m.png: D.OU -> D.UU

683.png: D.OU -> D.UU

356.png: D.OU -> D.UU

593.png593-f.png: D.OU -> D.UU

310.png: D.OU -> D.UU

310-m.png: D.OU -> D.UU

464.png: D.OU -> D.UU

479h.png: D.OU -> D.UU

642-s.png: D.OU -> D.UU

461.png: D.OU -> D.UU

547.png: D.OU -> D.UU

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I would hardly call 65/84/96 defenses good. Mega Lopunny's rise to OU is due to the immense amount of offensive pressure it provides, its great speed tier, ability to run Scrappy Fake Out so it can Mega Evolve safely, and the fact that it pretty much has a free moveslot to run whatever it wants as it really only needs Return and High Jump Kick to hit everything for neutral damage.

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Further update; Zygarde and Mega Alakazam have both been banned from UU:

 

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Mega Alakazam sits on its perch as one of the most terrifying wallbreakers/revenge killers/sweepers to ever grace UU. It's absolutely mind blowing offensive stats with 175 Special Attack and 150 Speed (making it tied for the fastest UU Pokemon in the tier alongside Mega Aerodactyl) means that this thing is not only hard to switch into but also hard to revenge kill as well. It's combination of moves in Psychic/Psyshock, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Dazzling Gleam, Energy Ball and Calm Mind mean that Mega Alakazam can pick and choose the mons it wants to eliminate keeping in mind that just Psychic/Ghost/Fairy coverage hits almost the entire tier for at least neutral damage. Alakazite has finally proven to be too strong for UU and will be returning back to the realms of BL.

 

 

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Zygarde combines absolutely fantastic bulk, typing and move options in order to become one of the most effective sweepers not only through Sub + Coil but also when equipped with Dragon Dance. Zygarde has the potential with just two sets to be able to completely dismantle almost every playstyle, where stall struggles immensely with Sub Coil, while Offense struggles against Dragon Dance due to the bulk that means Pokemon such as Mienshao and Krookodile can't even revenge kill it. If Zygarde manages to get behind a sub or set up a DD, there is almost nothing in the entire metagame that can go toe to toe with this monster, so with that Zygarde is heading to BL.

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Haven't MegaZam and Zygarde shuffled around a bunch of times between UU and BL?

And yeah, Alakazam can learn a surprising amount of coverage. I remember teaching him Shock Wave and HP Fighting back in Diamond, though that was for normal gameplay.

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Iirc, Mega Zam and Zygarde were allowed back in UU shortly before ORAS was released.

At least it wasn't like how it was was Klefki, Staraptor, Smeargle, and Togekiss where they got banned, unbanned, and then banned again all within the span of 2 weeks at most.

Yeah, unbannings tend to happen alot more frequently in the lower tiers than they do in OU, and not just because of tier shifts. Though they do play a part sometimes, like how Victini was banned then eventually unbanned, and then banned again once Slowbro moved up to OU.

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I would hardly call 65/84/96 defenses good. Mega Lopunny's rise to OU is due to the immense amount of offensive pressure it provides, its great speed tier, ability to run Scrappy Fake Out so it can Mega Evolve safely, and the fact that it pretty much has a free moveslot to run whatever it wants as it really only needs Return and High Jump Kick to hit everything for neutral damage.

True. but its defense stats are good enough to take some hits especially if Mega Lopunny knows 'Drain punch" to recover some HP while doing good damage on some pokemon. :-P

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Drain Punch is really only useable if you're running Substitute, otherwise you're sacrificing a tremendous amount of power (75 versus 130).

 

Oh and speaking of taking hits:

 

252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 225-265 (83 - 97.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 186-220 (68.6 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 220-259 (81.1 - 95.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 192-227 (70.8 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

252 SpA Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 186-219 (68.6 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Non-Mega Lopunny: 102-121 (37.6 - 44.6%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 204-242 (75.2 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

148 SpA Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 150-177 (55.3 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 112-133 (41.3 - 49%) -- 15.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

44+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 109-130 (40.2 - 47.9%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 129-153 (47.6 - 56.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 162-192 (59.7 - 70.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 207-244 (76.3 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 157-186 (57.9 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 127-151 (46.8 - 55.7%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Mega Slowbro Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 112-133 (41.3 - 49%) -- 15.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 160-190 (59 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 109-129 (40.2 - 47.6%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 126-148 (46.4 - 54.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage

244 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 222-263 (81.9 - 97%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Mega Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 238-282 (87.8 - 104%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

 

That's not even all the S, A+, A, and A- ranks in OU and thats with the defense increase provided by the Mega form. Now just imagine without. Mega Lopunny isn't as bulky as you're making it out to be.

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Drain Punch is really only useable if you're running Substitute, otherwise you're sacrificing a tremendous amount of power (75 versus 130).

 

Oh and speaking of taking hits:

 

252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 225-265 (83 - 97.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 186-220 (68.6 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 220-259 (81.1 - 95.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 192-227 (70.8 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

252 SpA Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 186-219 (68.6 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Non-Mega Lopunny: 102-121 (37.6 - 44.6%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 204-242 (75.2 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

148 SpA Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 150-177 (55.3 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 112-133 (41.3 - 49%) -- 15.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

44+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 109-130 (40.2 - 47.9%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 129-153 (47.6 - 56.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 162-192 (59.7 - 70.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 207-244 (76.3 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 157-186 (57.9 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 127-151 (46.8 - 55.7%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Mega Slowbro Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 112-133 (41.3 - 49%) -- 15.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 160-190 (59 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 109-129 (40.2 - 47.6%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 126-148 (46.4 - 54.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage

244 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lopunny: 222-263 (81.9 - 97%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Mega Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Lopunny: 238-282 (87.8 - 104%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

 

That's not even all the S, A+, A, and A- ranks in OU and thats with the defense increase provided by the Mega form. Now just imagine without. Mega Lopunny isn't as bulky as you're making it out to be.

Good point.

 

Doe I have been using Mega Lopunny lately and the way I see it being a revenge killer like "if all else fails" just using it to gain some ground in battle. :goodmood:

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Well, if Drought and Drizzle get unbanned from UU, then that'd make Politoad and Ninetails relevant. In addition, Mega Swampert's already A- rank, even with Drizzle banned. I imagine he might become a lot more viable. It'd probably also hurt Mega Abomasnow, since there'd now be the presence of instant rain or sun, both of which tend to be better weathers than snow.

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Politoed + Kingdra + Kabutops rain teams are pretty threatening in OU as it is, imagine what they can do in UU, especially when all three of these Pokemon are already allowed in UU. I'd imagine they would end up doing a complex ban like what they did in Gen 5 OU where Drizzle and Swift Swim were both legal, but could not be used together on the same team.

Drought on the other hand may end up staying, if only because Ninetales is pretty mediocre as it is. The only real threat would be something like Mega Houndoom rising to S rank in UU.

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ORAS OU Suspect Process, Round 1, Voting

 

Greninja is now Ubers tier.
 

 

Even though we're still missing a few votes, they would not change the outcome of this Suspect test. Greninja's fate is decided and, in order to favor the Tournaments community, I'm going to anticipate the results of the vote:
Number of votes: 249
Ban: 205
Do Not Ban: 44
Uber with an 82% majority.

For these reasons, Greninja will be moved to Ubers with immediate effect.

 

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