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International Alakazam
Psychic
Synchronize/Inner Focus (Hidden: Magic Guard)
Base stats: 55/50/45/135/95/120
 
Himecan Alakazam
Fighting
Limber/Vital Spirit (Hidden: Rough Skin)
Base stats: 55/135/95/50/45/120
 
Flavor text: Alakazam native to the Himeca region have lived their entire lives in the vast expanse of desert. Normally, these frail Pokemon would be unable to survive the harsh climate without continuously maintaining their psychokinetic power, thus it became necessary for them to improve their stamina in order to survive. Folk tales say that one such Alakazam spent 40 days alone in the desert in a meditative state. Because of this, these Pokemon, as well as Himecan Abra & Kadabra, have become known as the desert hermits by the people of Himeca. Those who seek to hone their body and mind will wander the desert in search of these Pokemon.
 
Notable move additions: Close Combat, Bulk Up, Karate Chop, Counter
 

So to start off the discussion;
 
Himecan Aegislash
Steel/Grass
Hyper Cutter/Battle Armor (Hidden: Moxie)
60/140/140/60/60/60
 
Flavor text: It is said that the Aegislash of the Himeca region are the remnants of the wooden weapons of the ancient Himecan people, the spirits of their leaders continuing to possess these artifacts to the present day. As such, Himecan Aegislash are still revered by the modern day people of the Himeca region as a symbol of the ancient civilizations that once spread across the land. The wood composing their bodies have managed to withstand the elements over generations, keeping them in pristine condition. Folk legend states that the markings on Himecan Aegislash are actually the stains left behind from fallen warriors slain by these weapons, which fuels this Pokemon's aggressive nature.
 
Notable move gains: Leaf Blade, Spiky Shield, Razor Leaf, Grassy Terrain, Giga Drain, Ingrain

Prior to the release of Sun & Moon, many people were hyped for the Alolan formes of older Pokemon, as we would be seeing Gamefreak adding a new twist on some old favorites. Now that the games are finally out, many were disappointed to find out that only 10 fully evolved Alolan formes exist in the game. Don't you wish this concept was expanded upon? Nows your chance!
 
Some rules to keep in mind when making proposals:
Try to be reasonable in your ideas. To put it simple, no Huge Power Alolan Slaking or Wonder Guard Alolan Spiritombs or anything along those lines. When posting an idea on an Alolan forme, you must post the base stats and ability/type changes. Keep in mind that when dealing with Alolan formes, the base stat totals of the Alolan forme must be equal to the base stat total of the base forme. When changing the base stats, each stat cannot exceed -30/+30 difference from the base forme's corresponding stat. You can, however, reallocate multiple stats so long as each individual stat does not exceed the -30/+30 limit. When making type changes, try to be reasonable, and don't just add types simply for the sake of adding another type. Although not absolutely necessary, some flavor text describing the origin of the Alolan forme and how it came to differ from their international variants (ie: Alolan Marowak becoming Ghost/Fire as an adaptation to its Grass-type predators in Alola). Note that these don't have to be strictly confined to the Alola region, you can do other regions as well. For abilities, you can only use the abilities found normally in the games themselves, or minor variations of those abilities (for example, a Dark-type variant of Pixilate or a variant of Intimidate that lowers Sp.Attack). If possible, try to show damage calculations against other Pokemon to back up your argument. Damage calculations can be done using Pokemon Showdown's damage calculator Here.

Species Type Ability HP Atk Def SpAtk SpDef Speed Magnemite (International) Electric/Steel Magnet Pull / Sturdy (HA: Analytic) 25 35 70 95 55 45 Magnemite (Himecan) Rock/Fire Magnet Pull / Levitate (HA: Adaptability) 25 35 70 95 55 45 Magneton (International) Electric/Steel Magnet Pull / Sturdy (HA: Analytic) 50 60 95 120 70 70 Magneton (Himecan) Rock/Fire Magnet Pull / Levitate (HA: Adaptability) 50 50 95 125 70 75 Magnezone (International) Electric/Steel Magnet Pull / Sturdy (HA: Analytic) 70 70 115 130 90 60 Magnezone (Himecan) Rock/Fire Magnet Pull / Levitate (HA: Adaptability) 70 50 115 140 90 70  
Flavor Text: Himecan Magnemite are formed under the intense heat and pressure of the planet's mantle. The magma that can be seen through the cracks of their rocky exoskeletons is actually molten iron, which surrounds a solid iron core. The swirling of its outer molten core creates a gyroscoping effect, which produces this Pokemon's own gravitational field. When three Himecan Magnemite gather together, they become locked in each other's gravitational field, causing them to constantly orbit each other in a tertiary system. If these Magnemite come within too close proximity to one another, the impact can cause their inner magma to seep out and quickly solidify, permanently fusing them together when it becomes Himecan Magnezone.
 
Notable Move Losses: Thunder Shock, Thunder Wave, Spark, Mirror Shot, Metal Sound, Electro Ball, Flash Cannon, Discharge, Zap Cannon, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Rain Dance, Charge Beam, Wild Charge
Notable Move Gains: Rock Throw, Will-o-Wisp, Stealth Rock, Rock Blast, Ember, Flame Burst, Lava Plume, Flamethrower, Eruption, Fire Blast, AncientPower, Power Gem, Rock Polish, Gravity, Smack Down

So Gen 7 is here, and with it we gained a bunch of new threats, including some familiar faces. Of course, the status quo never persists between generations and Gen 7 is no exception. We all know that Pokemon that are deemed to powerful or uncompetitive for the standard tiers are banished to the Ubers tier, but what if Ubers was a usage based tier just like all the other tiers in competitive battling? How would the metagame of the lower tiers look? To simulate this, I bring you UnderUbers.
 
Also because there's been some confusion regarding this tier, allow me to say, this is NOT an official tier on neither Smogon nor Pokemon Online, and is not officially supported on any simulators. Furthermore, this tier is not officially endorsed by Nintendo/Gamefreak/TPCi. I'm not sure what would make you think the latter was the case, but people have asked me that.
 
For those who wish to play this tier on simulators, you can do so as either under the  Singles Ubers option or, on Showdown, under "Custom Battle" under the Singles Battle option.
General Rules
Battles are done as 6vs6 Single battles. Item Clause: OFF (you may use any number of the same item). Species Clause: ON (You cannot use two Pokemon with the same Pokedex number). Sleep Clause: ON (only one Pokemon may be put to sleep at any given time. This does not include sleep induced by the move Rest) Evasion Clause: The moves Double Team and Minimize cannot be used. OHKO Clause: The moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, and Sheer Cold cannot be used. Self-KO Clause: In the event of a tie caused by the use of Selfdestruct, Explosion, Destiny Bond, Perish Song, Memento, Final Gambit, or any similar suicidal move, the user of these moves will be considered to have lost the match. Self-KOs caused by recoil moves and Life Orb also fall under this category. Arceus Clause: Arceus may be used, but must be holding either a plate item or a Z-Crystal. In addition, Arceus cannot be holding the Pixie, Spooky, Earth, Iron, or Splash plates, nor is Arceus permitted to be holding Fairium-Z, Ghostium-Z, Groundium-Z, Normalium-Z, Steelium-Z, or Waterium-Z. Mega Rayquaza Clause: Rayquaza is not allowed to Mega Evolve. Eligible Pokemon must have attained no more than 3.41% usage in the Ubers metagame, according to Smogon's 1630 ladder stats. Tier shifts will every 3 months, just like every other tier.
 
List of Pokemon banned from UnderUbers:
Aegislash Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Normal, Arceus-Water Blaziken-Mega  Darkrai Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Speed  Ditto Ferrothorn Gengar-Mega Giratina-Origin Groudon-Primal Ho-oh Kyogre-Primal Kyurem-White Lucario-Mega Lugia Lunala Magearna Marshadow Mewtwo-Mega X, Mewtwo-Mega Y  Naganadel Necrozma-DuskMane, Necrozma-Ultra  Rayquaza, Rayquaza-Mega  Salamence-Mega  Shaymin-Sky Smeargle  Xerneas Yveltal Zeraora Zygarde-Complete  
List of Items banned from UnderUbers:
Blue Orb, Gengarite, Griseous Orb, Blazikenite, Lucarionite, Marshadium Z, Mewtwonite X, Mewtwonite Y, Red Orb, Salamencite, Ultranecrozium Z
 
List of Moves banned from UnderUbers:
Baton Pass
 
List of Abilities banned from UnderUbers:
Moody, Power Construct

Komachi & Sanae updated

Komachi:
 

Sanae:

 

Yuuka & Utsuho updated

Yuuka changes:


Utsuho changes:
 

Lie Meiling & Kanako updated

Lie Meiling changes:
 
 
Kanako changes:
 

Lie Meiling updated

 
 

Lie Meiling updated

 
 

So SM OU finally came out of Beta state, and Smogon is now writing up actual analyses for Pokemon in the OU meta and theres a few observations;
 
Gengar losing Levitate has pretty much done absolutely nothing to its viability. It's still just as good of a stallbreaker as it was in Gen 6, and if anything, the loss of Levitate actually helps it more than hinders it now that it can properly absorb Toxapex's Toxic Spikes and take advantage of Terrains... ...which are everywhere now courtesy of the Tapus. With Aegislash gone, Tapu Lele is pretty much Hoopa-Unbound 2.0, except it can't be revenge killed with priority. Hell, Choice Band Tapu Bulu's Wood Hammer can even OHKO resisted hits (ie: Latios after Stealth Rock). Pheromosa is Pheromosa, not much else needs to be said except eventual ban. Tyranitar is almost nowhere right now. Guess its massive amount of weaknesses finally caught up to it. Alolan Ninetales actually caught me by surprise in terms of viability. Alola Ninetales has a solid niche on offense due to its ability to set up Aurora Veil and cancel out Rain (which is back with a vengeance this gen) but that's pretty much it. Don't even bother with Slush Rush Beartic or Alolan Sandslash, they're both pretty ass. Alolan Muk has a lot more utility than I expected, between Poison Touch + STAB Knock Off, its ability to check all four Tapus, Pursuit trapping, and its special bulk. Toxapex is just too passive. Yes, its a great wall and yes, it can use Haze to prevent itself from being setup bait, but there are times it really wishes it could break certain Pokemon's Substitutes with Scald... You'd think with Tapu Koko running rampant that Alolan Raichu would be viable, but it just isn't. Super speed doesn't mean much when you can't score KOs without a Nasty Plot boost and you're just too frail to use Nasty Plot effectively. Mega Alakazam is a beast right now, with both Tapu Lele being everywhere and the change to the Mega Evolution speed mechanics. Same with Mega Metagross, though to a lesser extent. Mega Venusaur is back in the spotlight again, with Tyranitar being less common, the Tapus being everywhere, especially Tapu Koko, and one of the few things that can survive Xurkitree. As if Dugtrio wasn't already good last gen, that +20 base attack it got in SM pretty much ensured that it would be everywhere, which it is.

This thread is for serious competitive discussion in Pokemon Sun & Moon only.
 
Common Terminology:
Tier - A term used to describe a categorization of a Pokemon species or form based on their competitive "worth". These are usually decided by how often a Pokemon is used on a team. It should be worth noting that Pokemon with more than one forme will have each of their forms tiered separately from each other. Each tier also consists of its own metagame.
  Metagame - The overall environment of competitive Pokemon. Each tier has its own metagame, which are dictated by that tier's top threats and playstyles. Each tier's metagame will permit the use of Pokemon found in lower level tiers (with the exception of the NU metagame, as there is no tier lower than NU) while simultaneously restricting Pokemon belonging to higher tiers (with the exception of the Ubers metagame, which currently allows all Pokemon).
  AG - short for "Anything Goes", AG is the spiritual successor to Ubers before it became its own tier instead of a banlist. As the name implies, anything goes. This means that nothing is banned and there are no clauses.
  Ubers - Derived from the german word über (lit. "above" or "over"), this tier was originally a global banlist in earlier generations before it evolved into its own tier in later generations. The Ubers tier consists of Pokemon that are typically broken, and consists of predominantly super legendary Pokemon (i.e.: Mewtwo, Lugia, Rayquaza, etc) but may also include Pokemon that have been banned from the OU tier for being either too powerful or uncompetitive. While the ubers tier consists of as little bans as possible, certain moves and abilities that are deemed uncompetitive (i.e.: Moody, OHKO moves) may still be banned from time to time. DUbers is the Doubles equivalent of Ubers, which has its own tier list separate from Singles Ubers.
  OU - Short for "Over Used", this is the default tier that many competitive players play in. Pokemon that belong to this tier are based on their usage in the OU metagame, which allows for the use of any Pokemon not belonging to the Ubers tier. Any Pokemon that has at least a 50% chance of appearing at least once out of 20 teams in the OU Metagame (or 3.41% of all OU teams) belong to the OU tier. Those Pokemon who do not make the 3.41% cutoff will then be allowed in the UU Metagame, where the process is repeated to determine their tiering. DOU is the Doubles equivalent of OU, which has its own tier list separate from Singles OU. In Pokemon Online, the OU cutoff is raised from 3.41% to 4.0%
  BL - Short for "Borderline". BL is not a tier, but a banlist for the UU metagame. BL consists of Pokemon that have failed to achieve 3.41% useage in the OU Metagame, but have been explicitly banned from UU for being either too powerful or uncompetitive. Pokemon that are BL cannot be used in the UU, RU, NU, or PU metagames, and thus is treated as an extension of the OU tier. In Pokemon Online, the OU cutoff is raised from 3.41% to 4.0%
  UU - Short for "Under Used". Pokemon that belong to this tier are based on their usage in the UU metagame, which allows for the use of any Pokemon not belonging to the Ubers, OU, or BL tiers. Any Pokemon that has at least a 50% chance of appearing at least once out of 20 teams in the UU Metagame (or 3.41% of all UU teams) belong to the UU tier. Those Pokemon who do not make the 3.41% cutoff will then be allowed in the RU Metagame, where the process is repeated to determine their tiering. DUU is the Doubles equivalent of UU, which has its own tier list separate from Singles UU. In Pokemon Online, the UU cutoff is raised from 3.41% to 4.0%
  BL2 - Short for "Borderline 2". Just like BL, BL2 is a banlist for the RU metagame. BL2 consists of Pokemon that have failed to achieve 3.41% useage in the UU Metagame, but have been explicitly banned from RU for being either too powerful or uncompetitive. Pokemon that are BL2 cannot be used in the RU, NU, or PU metagames, and thus is treated as an extension of the UU tier. In Pokemon Online, the UU cutoff is raised from 3.41% to 4.0%
  RU - Short for "Rarely Used". Pokemon that belong to this tier are based on their usage in the RU metagame, which allows for the use of any Pokemon not belonging to the Ubers, OU, BL, UU, or BL2 tiers. Any Pokemon that has at least a 50% chance of appearing at least once out of 20 teams in the RU Metagame (or 3.41% of all RU teams) belong to the RU tier. Those Pokemon who do not make the 3.41% cutoff will then be allowed in the NU Metagame. In Pokemon Online's tiering system, the RU tier is replaced with the functionally identical LU tier.  
BL3 - Short for "Borderline 3". Just like BL and BL2, BL3 is a banlist for the NU metagame. BL3 consists of Pokemon that have failed to achieve 3.41% useage in the RU/LU Metagames, but have been explicitly banned from NU for being either too powerful or uncompetitive. Pokemon that are BL3 cannot be used in the NU or PU metagames, and thus is treated as an extension of the RU & LU tiers. In Pokemon Online, the LU cutoff is 4.0% instead of RU's 3.41% cutoff.
  NU - Short for "Never Used". Essentially the bottom tier of competitive Pokemon, Pokemon that belong to this tier are those who have failed to achieve at least 3.41% usage in all metagame tiers above NU. The NU Metagame allows for the use of any Pokemon not belonging to the Ubers, OU, BL, UU, BL2, RU/LU, or BL3 tiers.
  PU - Short for "Partially Used". A new tier that was first introduced as an unofficial tier in Gen 5, and later adopted as an official Smogon tier in Gen 6. Pokemon in this tier are those who have failed to achieve at least 3.41% usage in the NU Metagame. The PU Metagame allows for the use of any Pokemon not belonging to the Ubers, OU, BL, UU, BL2, RU, BL3, or NU tiers. Note that Pokemon Online's tiering system does not include an equivalent to the PU tier.
  LC - Short for "Little Cup", a format that was first introduced in Pokemon Stadium 2 and later in Pokemon Battle Revolution. Pokemon used in this format are all Level 5, and consists of Pokemon that are capable of evolving, but have not yet evolved.
Additionally, the moves Sonic Boom and Dragon Rage are banned from use in LC.
  Counter - A counter refers to any Pokemon that is able to reliably switch in against a specific Pokemon 100% of the time, while also being able to beat that Pokemon or put it into a disadvantageous situation where it has no choice but to switch out.

Examples:
vs : Magnezone is a counter to Skarmory, as it can reliably switch in to any of Skarmory's attacks and reliably defeat it.
vs : Chansey can reliably switch into any of Mega Charizard Y's attacks while healing more HP than Zard Y is able to deal in damage, forcing Mega Charizard Y to switch out, risk running out of PP, or die from Toxic damage.
  Check - A check refers to any Pokemon that cannot reliably switch in directly against a specific Pokemon 100% of the time, but when it does, it can beat that Pokemon or put it into a disadvantageous situation. Unlike a counter, these Pokemon require either more prediction to beat the Pokemon they are meant to check, or switching through an indirect switch such as through Volt Switch, U-turn, or after another Pokemon has fainted.

Examples:
vs : Tyranitar cannot reliably switch in directly to Mega Charizard Y as it risks being OHKOed by Focus Blast. However, Choice Scarf Tyranitar will be able to outspeed and OHKO Mega Charizard Y with Stone Edge.
vs : Greninja is too frail to directly switch in to any of Terrakion's attacks, but it can reliably outspeed and OHKO any Terrakion that does not have Choice Scarf.
  VGC - Short for "Video Game Championships", the official Pokemon tournament that is held every year by The Pokemon Company International, which was first held in 2005 (when it was then known as "Journey Across America"). While the VGC format uses Double Battles, it is substantially different from regular Double Battles, as you are only allowed to choose 4 of the 6  Pokemon that you bring with you. While the Pokemon that are allowed at VGC differ from year to year, the VCG format usually bans Legendary Pokemon that are version mascots, as well as Event-only Pokemon. As of VGC 2017, only Pokemon that appear in the Alola Pokedex are allowed. Certain Legendary Pokemon, as well as all Mega Evolutions, are currently banned from play in VGC 2017  
Competitive Pokemon Resources:
Smogon - The oldest go-to website for competitive Pokemon play. Many players play by their rules and tiers. Although their primary focus is Singles OU, they do provide information on other metagames as well. Nuggetbridge - Founded by former Smogon members (as well as a former Smogon admin), Nuggetbridge is to Nintendo's official VGC competition as Smogon is to OU Singles. Site includes various articles on Nintendo's official format. Pokemon Showdown! - Web-based multi-generation battle simulator, that currently supports the first 6 generations of Pokemon games. Pokemon Online - Alternative battle simulator formerly supported by Smogon which predates Showdown. Currently supports Gen 5 and Gen 6 battles. Pokemon Laboratory - Formerly known as Shoddybattle, a simulator that was formerly supported by Smogon during the DPPt era. Currently only supports Gen 4 battles, it has now been superceded by other simulators such as Showdown and Pokemon Lab, the former of which also supports Gen 4 battles. Pokemon Netbattle - Originally programmed by TV's Ian and Smogon's founder chaos, Netbattle is one of the oldest Pokemon battle simulators, dating back to the GSC era, where it supported both Gen 1 and Gen 2 battles. Gen 3 support was later added, when it became Smogon's official battle simulator at the time. It fell into disuse when Diamond & Pearl was released, where Shoddybattle (later known as Pokemon Laboratory) became the preferred simulator. An unofficial update known as Netbattle Supremacy was later released with Gen 4 support, but has fallen into disuse. GSBot / RSBot - An old, text based battle simulator, GSBot was a script created for mIRC that was used to host Gen 2 battles over irc chatrooms. Unlike most simulators, GSBot was purely text based, and utilized command lines to initiate, as well as conduct, Pokemon battles. It was later updated with Gen 3 support, where it was then renamed RSBot. It fell out of use when Netbattle, the only competing battle simulator at the time, also added Gen 3 support and later became Smogon's official battle simulator. Porygon's Big Show - The oldest Pokemon battle simulator to date, PBS is a web based Gen 1 battle simulator. However, it does contain various inconsistencies with the Gen 1 games. For instance, Focus Energy uses Pokemon Stadium's mechanics, while Hyper Beam still uses the original RBY mechanics. Despite its age and inconsistencies, it was still used, causing it to receive an update in 2010, nearly a decade after its initial release. However, it currently does not support any Pokemon games other than Gen 1.

Prior to the release of Sun & Moon, many people were hyped for the Alolan formes of older Pokemon, as we would be seeing Gamefreak adding a new twist on some old favorites. Now that the games are finally out, many were disappointed to find out that only 10 fully evolved Alolan formes exist in the game. Don't you wish this concept was expanded upon? Nows your chance!
 
Some rules to keep in mind when making proposals:
Try to be reasonable in your ideas. To put it simple, no Huge Power Alolan Slaking or Wonder Guard Alolan Spiritombs or anything along those lines. When posting an idea on an Alolan forme, you must post the base stats and ability/type changes. Keep in mind that when dealing with Alolan formes, the base stat totals of the Alolan forme must be equal to the base stat total of the base forme. When changing the base stats, each stat cannot exceed -30/+30 difference from the base forme's corresponding stat. You can, however, reallocate multiple stats so long as each individual stat does not exceed the -30/+30 limit. When making type changes, try to be reasonable, and don't just add types simply for the sake of adding another type. Although not absolutely necessary, some flavor text describing the origin of the Alolan forme and how it came to differ from their international variants (ie: Alolan Marowak becoming Ghost/Fire as an adaptation to its Grass-type predators in Alola). Note that these don't have to be strictly confined to the Alola region, you can do other regions as well. For abilities, you can only use the abilities found normally in the games themselves, or minor variations of those abilities (for example, a Dark-type variant of Pixilate or a variant of Intimidate that lowers Sp.Attack). If possible, try to show damage calculations against other Pokemon to back up your argument. Damage calculations can be done using Pokemon Showdown's damage calculator Here.

So after some initial hurdles, a friend of mine offered to host the tournament in my stead, and we finally got everything underway with 11 contestants.
 
 
I won't spoil who won, but grats to all the winners.

Just moved a bunch of posts to the shit thread. Nobody wants to know if you're fapping to a Mugen character, keep that kind of stuff to yourself.

Just moved a bunch of posts to the shit thread. Nobody wants to know if you're fapping to a Mugen character, keep that kind of stuff to yourself.

Alice updated again

 
 

Yuyuko updated

 
 

Alice updated

 
 

Hong Meiling updated

 
 

Patchouli updated
 
 

Byakuren updated. Rebalances and retweaks her stock mechanic somewhat.

 
 

Sanae and Lie Meiling updated:
 
Sanae changes:
 
 
 
Lie Meiling changes:
 
 

Sanae updated, some balance tweaks and bugfixes ahoy

 
 

Eirin updated