RicePigeon Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 + = ? Ever wonder what would happen if Articuno got a Mega Evolution? What if Regirock got access to Recover? How about if Raichu got an electric type version of Pixilate/Aerialate/Refridgerate? Here, you can propose ideas for Mega Evolutions or moveset/ability changes to a Pokemon. Some rules to keep in mind when making proposals: Try to be reasonable in your ideas. To put it simple, no Huge Power Mega Slaking or Wonder Guard Spiritombs or anything along those lines. When posting an idea on a Mega Evolution, you must post the base stat and ability/type changes, if any. Keep in mind that when dealing with Mega Evolutions, you are limited to 100 extra base points, just like with the official Mega Evolutions (barring Mega Alakazam). When making type changes, you can only add a new type to a Single-types Pokemon, or change one type of a Dual typed Pokemon. For instance, changing Mega Butterfree from Bug/Flying to Bug/Psychic is permissible, but changing Mega Slowking from Water/Psychic to Fire/Dark is not. Also when doing type changes, try to be reasonable, and don't just add types simply for the sake of adding another type. For abilities, you can only use the abilities found normally in the games themselves, or minor variations of those abilities (for example, an Electric-type variant of Pixilate or a variant of Intimidate that lowers Sp.Attack). Each idea should have some kind of brief description as to how the change should work. While is no minimum or maximum amount of words required, you should be able to judge for yourself if your explanation is detailed enough. If possible, try to show damage calculations against other Pokemon to back up your argument. Damage calculations can be done using Pokemon Showdown's damage calculator Here. List of Theorymon discussions: (submitted by DarkWolf13) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by Noobie) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by Dumanios) (submitted by Noobie) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by Galvatron) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by Dumanios) (submitted by Dumanios) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by Galvatron) (submitted by RicePigeon) (submitted by Dumanios) (submitted by RicePigeon) Galvatron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjay Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Weavile with Technician or Tough Claws! Former will have a great Ice Shard, and the latter will have a great Night Slash/Ice Punch. Make it happen! stillweaktobulletpunch Galvatron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWolf13 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 M. Feraligatr Type: Water Normal Stats: 85/105/100/79/83/78 Mega Stats: 85/145/140/49/113/98 Ability: Tough Claws Feraligatr's brute strength will come in handy, as well as it's Defense and Special Defense. Special attack is decreased though. Improved Speed will allow it to outspeed Pokemon such as Crobat and Jolteon after a Dragon Dance. Jolly Feraligatrs are the most dangerous if they have Dragon Dance. It can also be a Tyranitar-killer as well. 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Feraligatr Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Tyranitar: 408-484 (100.9 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO This is done by a Jolly Mega Feraligatr without a DD Boost. Of course a few Pokemon can stop Feraligatr with Will-O-Wisp or boost their Defense before it can setup a Dragon Dance. Although some may not defeat Mega Feraligatr easily. 252 SpA Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Feraligatr: 174-206 (55.9 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO If one was to EV Mega Feraligatr for maximum Special Defense and/or physical Defense, those with high enough Special Attack with/without Life Orb could be the only ones to OHKO Feraligatr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 Darkwolf's Mega Feraligatr is actually a pretty decent example of the kind of posts I'm looking for in this thread (though I wouldn't use Jolteon in the argument unless you're trying to vouch for Mega Feraligatr for RU). Also while not required, sample Movesets would help. Should be noted that with only base 98 speed, it will outspeed Scarf Landorus-Therian after a Dragon Dance boost and OHKO with Waterfall, even with the Intimidate drop, so it can't be revenge killed that way. Defensive Landorus-Therians are OHKOed with Ice Fang and OHKOed by Waterfall after Stealth Rock and a bit of prior damage: 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-T: 290-344 (75.9 - 90%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock Keldeo can outspeed, but Secret Sword is a 3HKO at best, while +1 Waterfall can 2HKO with Stealth Rocks up: 252 SpA Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Feraligatr: 103-123 (32.3 - 38.6%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO +1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 153-181 (47.3 - 56%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock It also OHKOs Latios with Ice Punch at +1, while Scarf Latios can't OHKO with Draco Meteor unless it has Life Orb and Stealth Rocks are up: 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Feraligatr: 250-294 (80.3 - 94.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock Also Dragon Dance isnt the only thing it can do. It can also wallbreak with Swords Dance, and can even muscle past Mega Slowbro in ORAS: +2 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Feraligatr Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Slowbro: 236-278 (59.8 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumanios Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Some more calcs, using +1 Swords Dance. +2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Feraligatr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 174-205 (49.4 - 58.2%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 546-643 (85 - 100.1%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO And one with +1 Dragon Dance. +1 252+ Atk Feraligatr Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard X: 354-418 (119.1 - 140.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO +1 252+ Atk Tough Claws Feraligatr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 404-476 (125 - 147.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO Edit: 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Feraligatr: 109-129 (35 - 41.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (2HKO if Rocks are on field) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 The Swords Dance wallbreaker set isnt dead weight against Offense, either, since it can outspeed and KO Thundurus with Tough Claws boosted Aqua Jet: +2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Feraligatr Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 274-324 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO It loses to Greninja carrying Grass Knot, but 2HKOs with +2 Aqua Jet otherwise: +2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Feraligatr Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 143-168 (50.1 - 58.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Landorus-Therian and Talonflame can't revenge kill as both are OHKOed by AJ and Choice Band Brave Bird only does 66.8% max: 252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Feraligatr: 177-208 (56.9 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Mixed Mega Metagross with Grass Knot cannot OHKO while +1 Crunch does: 0 SpA Tough Claws Mega Metagross Grass Knot (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Feraligatr: 144-170 (46.3 - 54.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock +1 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Feraligatr Crunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 290-342 (96.3 - 113.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Some new food for thought, seeing as I already teased it in the OP:Mega Articuno Normal base stats: 90 / 85 / 100 / 95 / 125 / 85 Mega base stats: 90 / 65 / 130 / 145 / 155 / 95 Ability: Pressure -> Snow Warning Articuno's Pokedex entry always stated that it had the ability to create Blizzards, and its receipt of Snow Warning in its Mega Evolution reflects this. Of the three Legendary birds, Articuno was always defensively inclined, yet Ice has always been regarded as a poor defensive type. With a 50 base point increase to its Sp.Attack, Articuno can now provide much more offensive presence while still having the base Defense and Sp.Defense to stomach attacks. Moreover, the fact that Articuno gains roost gives it a big advantage over other Pokemon with its Sp.Defense such as Goodra. Sample moveset: Ability: Pressure (Snow Warning) / Item: @ArticuniteNature (Fast Tank): Timid w/ EVs: 252 HP / 4 Sp.Defense / 252 Speed Nature (Special Wall): Calm w/ EVs: 252 HP / 4 Sp.Attack / 252 Sp.Defense Nature (Mixed Wall): Bold w/ EVs: 252 HP / 176 Defense / 80 Sp.DefenseMoves: Blizzard / Freeze Dry / Roost / Substitute, Toxic, or Hurricane Blizzard gaining 100% accuracy during Hail is a big boon, especially backed by Articuno's newfound 145 base Sp.Attack and STAB. The above spread allows it to check Gunk Shot Greninja, a dangerous S rank threat in ORAS, as none of Greninja's moves can 2HKO while Mega Articuno OHKOs in return: 40 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Articuno: 134-160 (34.8 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 212 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Articuno: 143-172 (37.2 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 0 SpA Mega Articuno Freeze Dry vs. 4 HP / 0- SpD Greninja: 306-362 (106.9 - 126.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO The combination of STAB Blizzard and Freeze Dry allow it to deal nice damage to anything that doesnt resist it, and can even deal a chunk to Mega Slowbro before it can Calm Mind up: 0 SpA Articuno Freeze Dry vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Slowbro: 192-228 (48.7 - 57.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and hail damage If one decides to invest towards Sp.Defense instead of Speed, MegaCuno can also comfortably take a hit from Latios and Keldeo: 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Articuno: 160-188 (41.6 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Articuno: 148-177 (38.5 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Articuno: 166-196 (43.2 - 51%) -- 4.3% chance to 2HKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Articuno: 154-183 (40.1 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO A 252/252 HP/SpDef spread is still 2HKOed by Thundurus-Incarnate, but even with no investment, MegaCuno can OHKO back: 252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Articuno: 218-257 (56.7 - 66.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Articuno Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 392-464 (131.1 - 155.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galvatron Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 We recently did a discussion about this before so here is a little update about it: + = Mega-Blissey: Type: Normal-type ---------------------------> Type in mega-form: Normal/Fairy-type Stat: Base stat: 255/10/10/75/135/55 --> Base stat mega-form: 255/45/45/100/105/90 Ability: Natural Cure -------------------------> Mega-form ability: Regenerator In exchange for some of its bulky Sp. Def it gains speed to give it a little edge in battle. [Edit post] As it gains a secondary type (Fairy) Mega-Blissey has fair chances against Fighter-types However even though a little boost on it defence stat but still can be hit hard with pokemon with High Physical attack power: 252+ Atk Machamp Cross Chop vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def MegaBlissey: 306-361 (47 - 55.4%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO 252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def MegaBlissey: 425-500 (65.2 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO [Edit post (update)] It gains more boost with its Sp.Attack which makes Mega Blissey a worst Nightmare against dragon-types like Dragonite, Hydragon, and even Mega-Salamence with a chance of a 1,or 2HKO with Blizzard: 0 SpA MegaBlissey Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 316-376 (97.8 - 116.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO 0 SpA MegaBlissey Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Hydreigon: 172-204 (52.9 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA MegaBlissey Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD MegaSalamence: 344-408 (103.9 - 123.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO Also with its sp attack boost Mega-Blissy can be an elemental attacker referring the Info Rice profided in the past post: Posted 20 April 2014 - 12:34 AM By Ricepigeon: "Regenerator makes the most sense, plus would give it a huge niche over Chansey despite the lack of bulk, especially if paired with Slowbro, since not only does he cover Bliss's fighting weakness, but also forms a sturdy Regenerator core. 100 Base Sp.Atk is also useable, so she doesn't have to rely on Seismic Toss as her only form of damage, even if with no investment": 0 SpA Mega Blissey Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 328-388 (92.6 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO 0 SpA Mega Blissey Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Landorus: 316-372 (98.7 - 116.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO 0 SpA Mega Blissey Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 130-154 (40.1 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 0 SpA Mega Blissey Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 172-204 (48.8 - 57.9%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO 0 SpA Mega Blissey Flamethrower vs. 248 HP / 104 SpD Mega Scizor: 236-280 (68.8 - 81.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Mega Blissey Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 174-206 (64.2 - 76%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Mega Blissey Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 176-208 (59 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Kind of breaking my own rules here in regards to abilities but I just realized; Gengar and Alakazam got Mega Evolutions, but the other two original trade evolutions didnt? Mega Machamp Normal base stats: 90 / 130 / 80 / 65 / 85 / 55 Mega base stats: 90 / 150 / 115 / 65 / 95 / 90 Ability: Guts / No Guard / Steadfast (HA) -> All-or-Nothing* Ability Name: All-or-Nothing Effect: Heightens the effectiveness of Super Effective attacks, but all other attacks have no effect. Description: If the user uses a Super Effective attack on the opponent, the effectiveness of that attack is raised to x4 regardless of the original type effectiveness on the opponent. All attacks that do not hit the opponent for Super Effective damage will instead have its type effectiveness reduced to x0. Ever since Conkeldurr was introduced, Machamp fell into competitive obscurity as it was outclassed. By giving Machamp a Mega Evolution, it now functions as a dangerous wallbreaker, as all Super Effective attacks now become x4 effectiveness even if the opponent is not 4x weak to the attack. To put things into perspective, a 252 HP / 252 Def Bold Mega Slowbro is now 2HKOed by All-or-Nothing Knock Off after Stealth Rock, an attack that would normally be a 4HKO against it. Even 4 HP / 252 Def Bold Eviolite Chansey is cleanly OHKOed by an All-or-Nothing Cross Chop where it would otherwise survive it. Just to put things into perspective: 252+ Atk Mega Machamp All-or-Nothing Cross Chop vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 1056-1244 (164.4 - 193.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Mega Machamp All-or-Nothing Cross Chop vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 536-632 (152.2 - 179.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Mega Machamp All-or-Nothing Knock Off (65 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Slowbro: 162-192 (41.1 - 48.7%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252+ Atk Mega Machamp All-or-Nothing Knock Off (65 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Latias: 220-260 (60.4 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252+ Atk Mega Machamp All-or-Nothing Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 226-268 (67.6 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252+ Atk Mega Machamp All-or-Nothing Fire Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 282-332 (93.3 - 109.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock While something of this caliber surely seems like Ubers material, the drawback to Mega Machamp's ability is that if the move it uses is not Super Effective, the opponent is essentially immune to that attack. Therefore, having as much super effective coverage is even more crucial, and regardless of what set Mega Machamp runs, it will always find itself walled by Mega Sableye, who can simply burn it with Will-o-Wisp or use it as setup bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkWolf13 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 That sounds sick for M. Machamp but then that ability will cripple it against Pokemon it can only land regular damage to, such as Sableye and Spiritomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumanios Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Against a Mega Machamp, prediction would become even more important. If a user of Mega Machamp can't predict an enemies switches, he could end up a complete non-factor as perhaps a Stone Edge that'd KO a Mega Articuno for example would be useless against a Scizor. This would add to the list of reasons to use Sableye and Spiritomb as well. In the hands of a good player, Mega Machamp is a great pokemon. But if the user isn't good, Mega Machamp ends up being little more than a glorified sponge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumanios Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 + = (Art credit: http://www.deviantart.com/browse/undiscovered/#/art/Mega-Moltres-463278527?hf=1) Standard stats: 90/100/90/125/85/90 Mega stats: 90/140/110/155/85/100 Mega Ability: Drought As a complement to Mega Articuno's possession of Snow Warning, Mega Moltres gains Drought, similar to Mega Charizard Y. Similar to Mega Articuno, Mega Moltres has increased physical defense and speed. Unlike Mega Articuno, however, both of it's attack stats are increased, while special defense remains the same. Mega Moltres possesses a good list of special attacks, among them Fire Blast, Solarbeam, Flamethrower, Hurricane, Extrasensory, and Ancient Power. He also possesses an okay physical moveset, including Steel Wing, Return, and U-Turn. Some calcs, just because. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Metagross in Sun: 620-732 (170.3 - 201%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gardevoir in Sun: 261-307 (94.2 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO vs. 232 SpA Pixilate Mega Gardevoir Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Moltres: 144-170 (44.8 - 52.9%) -- 28.1% chance to 2HKO. They both have 100 Base Speed, so it relies more on Nature and EVs. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Normal Landorkus in Sun: 406-478 (127.2 - 149.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO. Landorus' speed is very slightly higher than Mega Moltres', at 101 vs. 100. Depending on how Landorus' EVs are assigned, or if he has a Choice Scarf, Mega Moltres can outspeed Landorkus and OHKO with either Fire Blast or Solar Beam... or get outsped and possibly die to Stone Edge. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T in Sun: 406-478 (106.2 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO. With this matchup, Mega Moltres has a lot less to worry about speedwise. Still, if Landorus is given Choice Scarf, then he outspeeds and oneshots with Rock coverage. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 260-308 (78.5 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO vs. 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Moltres in Sun: 150-176 (46.7 - 54.8%) -- 56.6% chance to 2HKO. Mega Moltres outspeeds and can 2HKO. Even if Mega Gyarados takes a turn to set up with Dragn Dance, he still only 2HKOs. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 310-366 (101.9 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 28 HP / 80 SpD Gengar in Sun: 387-456 (144.4 - 170.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Mega Moltres U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Latios: 162-192 (53.8 - 63.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock. It'll also 2HKO Mega Latias and the unmegaed forms. On the other hand, Moltres gets outsped by the Latis, Megaed or otherwise. Still, if the Latis decide to set up instead of attack, they can take some serious damage. While Moltres can hit hard against a variety of Pokemon, he doesn't have the largest variety of moves. Charizard has a wider variety of moves, especially physical. Mega Charizard X has Fire/Dragon, for example, and a much wider variety of physical moves. While Mega Moltres has a physical moveset, it's not a very large one. Still, it can be used in that regard, especially on a Voltturn team. In addition, Moltres has never been a defensive pokemon, and the drops to its defensive stats make it very vulnerable if his opponent survives. If, say, Mega Gyarados comes packing Aqua Jet, then Mega Moltres is likely to fall. In addition, Greninja and Mega Aerodactyl still outspeed and OHKO with Water and Rock STAB moves. Mega Latias and Latios are outsped by Mega Moltres, but Moltres can't OHKO them, while the Latis can OHKO with Thunder. Aqua Jet coming off of a decent attacker will most likely OHKO, and Extremespeed can some severe damage. ... so, how is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 As a wallbreaker I can't say I'm too thrilled about Mega Moltres outclassing Mega Charizard Y like that. True, Char Y does get Focus Blast as a coverage move while Moltres doesn't, but that extra speed and Sp.Attack kind of pushes it over the edge imo. I could see maybe Mega Zapdos having 120 base speed as its the fastest of the un-Mega'd birds, but Moltres would be 100~110 at best Also just want to point out that Hurricane would be garbage on Mega Moltres since Drought is reducing its accuracy to 50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumanios Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 As a wallbreaker I can't say I'm too thrilled about Mega Moltres outclassing Mega Charizard Y like that. True, Char Y does get Focus Blast as a coverage move while Moltres doesn't, but that extra speed and Sp.Attack kind of pushes it over the edge imo. I could see maybe Mega Zapdos having 120 base speed as its the fastest of the un-Mega'd birds, but Moltres would be 100~110 at best Also just want to point out that Hurricane would be garbage on Mega Moltres since Drought is reducing its accuracy to 50%. Alright. I could always reduce the speed, though what stat(s) to change to compensate would be something I'm not sure of. I might (for now) go the route of Mega Alakazam and make the mega evo have +90 instead +100. Also, didn't know about that point of Hurricane (why does it do that, anyway?). Then again, most stuff can be easily dealt with with Fire Blast/Flamethrower or Solar Beam, and Moltres does get Extrasensory and Ancientpower if one really wants that coverage. A speed reduction for Moltres to 110 would have the side effect of Thundurus possibly outspeeding Moltres. It would depend on what natures and specific EVs are dedicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galvatron Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Even though this pokemon is not loved by alot of people But: + = ( credit goes to the artist:Tomycase) [Edit Post update] Mega-Raticate: Type: Normal-type ---------------------------> Type in mega-form: Normal/Dark-type Stat: Base stat: 55/81/60/50/70/97 -----> Base stat mega-form: 55/131/80/30/90/127(using Rice's Theory with a little Alt.: Sp.Atk<--Phy.Def) Ability: Guts -----------------------------------> Mega-form ability: Strong Jaw Raticate will still be consider as low-tier pokemon but with its mega form it becomes quite a formable Physical Offensive attacker. Granted that it get a secondary type (Dark) and more speed/defence boost also Strong jaw ability boosting moves: Hyper-Fang and Crunch (Lets Assume Hyper Fang is effected with this ability since its a bite attack: 80 + 50% attack power= 120 Attack power, equivalent to 'Double-Edge' with out taking self-damage.) [update] With Hyper-Fang boosted with Strong Jaw ability Mega Raticate can K.O, some pokemon with Normal to Low defenses: 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Hyper-Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Absol: 328-387 (121 - 142.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Hyper-Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ambipom: 306-360 (105.1 - 123.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Hyper-Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Houndoom: 237-280 (81.4 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(if flinched) 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Hyper-Fang vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 393-463 (60.2 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Hyper-Fang vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard X: 198-234 (66.6 - 78.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(if flinched) With Physical attack boost+ 'Sucker punch' and strong jaw ability + 'Crunch' it can take great advantages against ghost and psychic-types: 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Crunch vs. 28 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 656-774 (244.7 - 288.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Crunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Alakazam: 812-956 (322.2 - 379.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Alakazam: 410-486 (162.6 - 192.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 350-414 (133.5 - 158%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Crunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Lugia: 130-154 (31.3 - 37.1%) -- 79.1% chance to 3HKO 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Jirachi: 432-510 (106.9 - 126.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Celebi: 434-512 (107.4 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega-Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 348-410 (95.6 - 112.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO Mega-Raticate can use this attack boost+ 'Wild charge' against Water and flying types: 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Wild Charge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 302-356 (105.5 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Wild Charge vs. 16 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 262-310 (75.9 - 89.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Wild Charge vs. 236 HP / 0 Def Mega Blastoise: 186-220 (51.9 - 61.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 286-338 (96.2 - 113.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 124-148 (37.1 - 44.3%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Mega-Raticate can use 'Zen-headbutt' for coverage agianst poison-types and fighting-types( which are its greatest threat): 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Zen Headbutt vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 234-276 (64.2 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(if flinched) 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Hitmonchan: 234-276 (97 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO (if flinched) 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Hitmonlee: 318-376 (131.9 - 156%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hariyama: 294-346 (68.5 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(if flinched) 252+ Atk Raticate Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 124-146 (37.1 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO(if flinched) 252+ Atk Raticate Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Swalot: 158-186 (39.1 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (if flinched) 252+ Atk Raticate Zen Headbutt vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 162-192 (45.1 - 53.4%) -- 35.5% chance to 2HKO (if flinched) 252+ Atk Raticate Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 224+ Def Vileplume: 158-188 (44.6 - 53.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery (if flinched) Even doe Mega-Raticate is good for being an revange-killer. However due to its second typing (DarK) and not-so-great HP its very vulnerable agianst fighters-types. Also bug, fairy-types can take advantage against it: 252+ Atk Iron Fist Hitmonchan Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega-Raticate: 612-720 (243.8 - 286.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Iron Fist Hitmonchan Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega-Raticate: 324-384 (129 - 152.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Machamp Dynamic Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega-Raticate: 780-924 (310.7 - 368.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO (ouch! if Machamp was mega) 252 Atk Lucario Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega-Raticate: 760-900 (302.7 - 358.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO (ouch! if Lucario was mega) 252+ Atk Beedrill X-Scissor vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega-Raticate: 242-288 (96.4 - 114.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO (ouch! if Beedrill was mega) 252+ SpA Life Orb Butterfree Bug Buzz vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega-Raticate: 330-390 (131.4 - 155.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def mega-Raticate: 912-1072 (363.3 - 427%) -- guaranteed OHKO (ouch! if Heracross was mega) 4 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega-Raticate: 198-234 (78.8 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega-Raticate: 272-324 (108.3 - 129%) -- guaranteed OHKO Also High Sp.A pokemon knowing 'Focus Blast' can be fatal to Mega-Raticate: 252 SpA Mega Gengar Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega-Raticate: 640-756 (254.9 - 301.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ SpA Mega Alakazam Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Raticate: 720-848 (286.8 - 337.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 232 SpA Mega Gardevoir Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Raticate: 620-732 (247 - 291.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO So overall Mega-raticate is best to be used as an revange killer if the pokemon in its party fainted before jumping.to battle. It may still need to benefit moves like 'U-turn'+ its speed boost to get out of fatal situations. Also even with boost on its Base stats it may still be consider as a low-tier pokemon due to its low HP and typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Mega Raticate: Those base stats are pretty underwhelming for a Mega. True, its got 117 speed, but with 111 attack as its highest base offensive stat, its not exactly KOing much and I would rather use another Mega. Also alot of those calcs are questionable, since none of those Pokemon are actually relevant in OU, except for Gengar, Skarmory and Mega Alakazam. Its not even able to 2HKO Skarmory or Arceus, so how is this a demonstration of its power as a revenge killer? I know you're trying to sell it as a revenge killer, but what exactly is it revenge killing? 117 speed cant even outspeed Greninja, it cant revenge kill boosted Mega Charizard X or Mega Altaria that well, and if your claim to being able to perform as a revenge killer relies on Sucker Punch, then that's kind of too situational, especially when there are faster and more powerful revenge killers like Choice Band Talonflame, Choice Scarf Landorus-Therian, and Choice Band Dragonite. Also your base stat total increase is off by an extra 20 points. If I wanted to do Mega Raticate, a spread like this would be more appropriate methinks: 55 / 81 / 60 / 50 / 70 / 97 -----> 55 / 131 / 60 / 50 / 90 / 127 Run Away / Guts / Hustle -> Strong Jaw You now have enough speed to get the jump on Greninja, while also presenting an actual offensive presence. Also just so you know, Strong Jaw does nothing to Hyper Fang's base damage, so you're mostly using it for Crunch and the Elemental fangs, the latter of which Raticate doesnt get, but lets assume that it does: 252 Atk Mega Raticate Return vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 232-274 (81.1 - 95.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 278-330 (92.3 - 109.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 262-310 (87.6 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 0 HP / 24 Def Mega Gardevoir: 271-319 (97.8 - 115.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Latias: 252-296 (69.2 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Slowbro: 186-222 (47.2 - 56.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 123-145 (40.4 - 47.6%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 262-309 (40.8 - 48.1%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Mega Raticate Wild Charge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 274-324 (95.8 - 113.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Ice Fang vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 284-336 (94.9 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO -1 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-T: 220-260 (57.5 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery -1 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Ice Fang vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 312-368 (94.8 - 111.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 288-340 (81.8 - 96.5%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Fire Fang vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Mega Scizor: 292-348 (85.1 - 101.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock Now you actually threaten more of the top threats in OU. With this spread, Mega Raticate now functions as more of a cleaner or offensive pivot for offensive teams, similar to how you would use Mega Manectric or Greninja. Mega Moltres: I was thinking more along the lines of this: Standard stats: 90/100/90/125/85/90 Mega stats: 90/140/110/155/85/100 With this spread, you can still take advantage of Mega Moltres's capabilities, and you have a monster 140 physical attack stat that you can make use of with U-turn, a big niche that Moltres has over Charizard Y, especially when you can do this:0 Atk Mega Moltres U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 162-192 (53.6 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Which is pretty big considering that Latios is a decent check to Mega Charizard Y, whereas Mega Moltres can just wear it down like that. The extra defense also helps considering you avoid an OHKO from boosted Mega Gallade: +2 252 Atk Gallade Psycho Cut vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Moltres: 253-298 (78.8 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 252 Atk Gallade Psycho Cut vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard Y: 334-394 (112.4 - 132.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Galvatron and Dumanios 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galvatron Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Mega Raticate: Those base stats are pretty underwhelming for a Mega. True, its got 117 speed, but with 111 attack as its highest base offensive stat, its not exactly KOing much and I would rather use another Mega. Also alot of those calcs are questionable, like these: 252+ Atk Mega-Raticate Wild Charge vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Water: 166-196 (37.4 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252+ Atk mega-Raticate Wild Charge vs. 96 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Flying: 166-196 (40.9 - 48.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252+ Atk mega-Raticate Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 112-132 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Its not even able to 2HKO Skarmory or Arceus, so how is this a demonstration of its power? I know you're trying to sell it as a revenge killer, but what exactly is it revenge killing? 117 speed cant even outspeed Greninja, and if your claim to being able to perform as a revenge killer relies on Sucker Punch, then that's kind of too situational, especially when there are faster and more powerful revenge killers like Choice Band Talonflame, Choice Scarf Landorus-Therian, and Choice Band Dragonite. Also your base stat total increase is off by an extra 20 points. If I wanted to do Mega Raticate, a spread like this would be more appropriate methinks: 55 / 81 / 60 / 50 / 70 / 97 -----> 55 / 131 / 60 / 50 / 90 / 127 Run Away / Guts / Hustle -> Strong Jaw You now have enough speed to get the jump on Greninja, while also presenting an actual offensive presence. Also just so you know, Strong Jaw does nothing to Hyper Fang's base damage, so you're mostly using it for Crunch and the Elemental fangs, the latter of which Raticate doesnt get, but lets assume that it does: 252 Atk Mega Raticate Return vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 232-274 (81.1 - 95.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 278-330 (92.3 - 109.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 262-310 (87.6 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 0 HP / 24 Def Mega Gardevoir: 271-319 (97.8 - 115.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Latias: 252-296 (69.2 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Slowbro: 186-222 (47.2 - 56.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 123-145 (40.4 - 47.6%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Crunch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 262-309 (40.8 - 48.1%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Mega Raticate Wild Charge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 274-324 (95.8 - 113.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Ice Fang vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 284-336 (94.9 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO -1 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-T: 220-260 (57.5 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery -1 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Ice Fang vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 312-368 (94.8 - 111.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 288-340 (81.8 - 96.5%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Strong Jaw Mega Raticate Fire Fang vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Mega Scizor: 292-348 (85.1 - 101.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock Now you actually threaten more of the top threats in OU. With this spread, Mega Raticate now functions as more of a cleaner or offensive pivot for offensive teams. Yeah you right! thats probly the most accurate calculation you provided. I'm Still learning of course.... :-P I would atleast give it more boost on its defences to keep it alive. but as you put it Rice if it was revenge killer it has to be more on its attack and speed stats to do so. [Edit post] Even doe Hyper fang is not supportive with strong jaw abiltiy But: " 'Strong jaw' :Increases the power of biting moves by 50%" " 'Hyper Fang' : The user bites hard on the target with its sharp front fangs. It may also make the target flinch." I was pretty much relating the ability towards raticate's Lv-up move if known "strong jaw' in mega-form. I know that ability won't effect 'Super Fang' of course if that what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 According to this, Strong Jaw doesn't boost Hyper Fang: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Strong_Jaw_%28Ability%29 Oh well, its not like you need it when you're OHKO/2HKOing everything with STAB Crunch anyway :p EDIT: Okay now Im confused because Serebii says that Hyper Fang IS boosted by Strong Jaw: http://www.serebii.net/abilitydex/strongjaw.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumanios Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Mega Moltres: I was thinking more along the lines of this: Standard stats: 90/100/90/125/85/90 Mega stats: 90/140/110/155/85/100 With this spread, you can still take advantage of Mega Moltres's capabilities, and you have a monster 140 physical attack stat that you can make use of with U-turn, a big niche that Moltres has over Charizard Y, especially when you can do this: 0 Atk Mega Moltres U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 162-192 (53.6 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Which is pretty big considering that Latios is a decent check to Mega Charizard Y, whereas Mega Moltres can just wear it down like that. The extra defense also helps considering you avoid an OHKO from boosted Mega Gallade: +2 252 Atk Gallade Psycho Cut vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Moltres: 253-298 (78.8 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 252 Atk Gallade Psycho Cut vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard Y: 334-394 (112.4 - 132.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO (I borked the quote :p) Alright, those work. Remind me to redo the post to reflect the stat changes once I'm not in class. According to this, Strong Jaw doesn't boost Hyper Fang: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Strong_Jaw_(Ability) Oh well, its not like you need it when you're OHKO/2HKOing everything with STAB Crunch anyway :p EDIT: Okay now Im confused because Serebii says that Hyper Fang IS boosted by Strong Jaw: http://www.serebii.net/abilitydex/strongjaw.shtml Logic would dictate that Strong Jaw boosts Hyper Fang, but I wouldn't know. Does anything with Strong Jaw normally learn Hyper Fang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galvatron Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Logic would dictate that Strong Jaw boosts Hyper Fang, but I wouldn't know. Does anything with Strong Jaw normally learn Hyper Fang? Well not really known, but as you put it should be able to boost 'hyper Fang' since it is decribe how the move "bites hard on the target". But I'm going keep this as a theory for now until more facts proves it . :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egnaro Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Not loved by many people? Raticate is awesome and his movepool is p.huge at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumanios Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 + = (Art credit: http://www.deviantart.com/browse/undiscovered/#/art/Mega-Moltres-463278527?hf=1) Standard stats: 90/100/90/125/85/90 Mega stats: 90/140/110/155/85/100 Mega Ability: Drought With Rice's altered stats, here's some new calcs for Mega Moltres. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Metagross in Sun: 620-732 (170.3 - 201%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gardevoir in Sun: 261-307 (94.2 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO vs. 232 SpA Pixilate Mega Gardevoir Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Moltres: 144-170 (44.8 - 52.9%) -- 28.1% chance to 2HKO. They both have 100 Base Speed, so it relies more on Nature and EVs. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Normal Landorkus in Sun: 406-478 (127.2 - 149.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO. Landorus' speed is very slightly higher than Mega Moltres', at 101 vs. 100. Depending on how Landorus' EVs are assigned, or if he has a Choice Scarf, Mega Moltres can outspeed Landorkus and OHKO with either Fire Blast or Solar Beam... or get outsped and possibly die to Stone Edge. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T in Sun: 406-478 (106.2 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO. With this matchup, Mega Moltres has a lot less to worry about speedwise. Still, if Landorus is given Choice Scarf, then he outspeeds and oneshots with Rock coverage. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 260-308 (78.5 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO vs. 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Moltres in Sun: 150-176 (46.7 - 54.8%) -- 56.6% chance to 2HKO. Mega Moltres outspeeds and can 2HKO. Even if Mega Gyarados takes a turn to set up with Dragn Dance, he still only 2HKOs. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 310-366 (101.9 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO. 252+ SpA Mega Moltres Fire Blast vs. 28 HP / 80 SpD Gengar in Sun: 387-456 (144.4 - 170.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Mega Moltres U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Latios: 162-192 (53.8 - 63.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock. It'll also 2HKO Mega Latias and the unmegaed forms. On the other hand, Moltres gets outsped by the Latis, Megaed or otherwise. Still, if the Latis decide to set up instead of attack, they can take some serious damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galvatron Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Not loved by many people? Raticate is awesome and his movepool is p.huge at that Well what I'm saying is Normally you won't expect alot of trainers using Raticate in thier teams. Unless you can use Jolly Nature Raticate (using flame orb+ 'Facade') to knock-out some pokemon that dosn't have bulky physical defences before its gets defeated. However in Mega-form (referring Rice's caculations) Raticate can be quit useful knocking out some OU pokemon, Which I'm going to edit the post and recalculate using Rice's theory. :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Just so the Trio could become complete:+ Mega Zapdos Normal base stats: 90 / 90 / 85 / 125 / 90 / 100 Mega base stats: 90 / 90 / 105 / 155 / 120 / 120 Ability: Pressure -> Drizzle Zapdos has been outclassed by Thundurus as an offensive Pokemon ever since Gen 5, while Zapdos has always been a rather solid Pokemon in OU prior to that. Zapdos did manage to soar back into OU in X&Y in order to combat Mega Pinsir, as well as take on a new role as a defensive Defogger, but its bulk became less significant this generation with the power creep of Mega Evolutions, it is unable to handle X&Y's Birdspam teams as effectively as other Electric types. While Zapdos hasn't dropped back down to UU yet, it did make a brief resurgance in use prior to Mega Salamence's ban. Enter Mega Zapdos, the third Pokemon to receive Drizzle since Kyogre and Polited before it. Though MegaZap is limited to only providing 5 turns of rain, it can operate as an auxiliary rain setter in conjunction with Politoed, setting rain when needed. MegaZap isn't a slouch either, as it can also take advantage of the rain itself by spamming 100% accurate Thunder, backed by its 155 Sp.Attack. Since Zapdos had always been used as a defensive Pokemon, it gained some additional bulk to allow it to deal with birdspam better, with Drizzle now allowing it to tank any of Talonflame's attacks. However, because of Drizzle, Zapdos loses its ability to effectively use Heat Wave, but can now act as an offensive Defogger for rain teams. Sample moveset: OffensiveAbility: Pressure (Drizzle) / Item: @ZapdoniteNature: Timid w/ EVs: 4 Defense / 252 Sp.Attack / 252 SpeedMoves: Thunder / Hidden Power Ice / Roost / Defog or Volt Switch 252 SpA Mega Zapdos Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 189-223 (62.7 - 74%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Zapdos: 226-268 (70.4 - 83.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 SpA Mega Zapdos Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 246-291 (82.2 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 SpA Mega Zapdos Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 138-164 (45.6 - 54.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Against common Stealth Rock setters: 252 SpA Mega Zapdos Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Garchomp: 384-452 (107.5 - 126.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Mega Zapdos Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 344-408 (96 - 113.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 SpA Mega Zapdos Thunder vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Clefable: 184-217 (46.7 - 55%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 SpA Mega Zapdos Thunder vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran: 145-172 (37.6 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery 252 SpA Zapdos Thunder vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Terrakion: 223-264 (69 - 81.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Sample moveset: DefensiveAbility: Pressure (Drizzle) / Item: @ZapdoniteNature (1): Bold w/ EVs: 252 HP / 188 Defense / 68 Sp.Attack Nature (2): Bold w/ EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Sp.AttackMoves: Thunder / Hidden Power Ice / Roost / Defog Defensive calcs: 252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 188+ Def Mega Zapdos in Rain: 85-102 (22.1 - 26.5%) -- 14.4% chance to 4HKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 188+ Def Mega Zapdos: 86-102 (22.3 - 26.5%) -- 16.9% chance to 4HKO +2 252 Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Return vs. 252 HP / 188+ Def Mega Zapdos: 181-213 (47.1 - 55.4%) -- 74.6% chance to 2HKO +2 252 Atk Aerilate Mega Pinsir Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Zapdos: 172-203 (44.7 - 52.8%) -- 26.6% chance to 2HKO 252 Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Zapdos: 232-274 (60.4 - 71.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Non-Mega calc for reference: 252 Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 188+ Def Zapdos: 283-334 (73.6 - 86.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Zapdos: 166-196 (43.2 - 51%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO 0 SpA Mega Zapdos Thunder vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Metagross: 160-189 (53.1 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicePigeon Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Okay so Mega Zapdos didn't much much discussion but hopefully this one will: Don't you find it kind of odd that with Mega Evolutions that the series mascot didn't get one? Or two for that matter?+ Mega Raichu X & Mega Raichu Y Raichu base stats: 60 / 90 / 55 / 90 / 80 / 110 Mega Raichu X base stats: 60 / 140 / 75 / 100 / 100 / 110 Mega Raichu Y base stats: 60 / 90 / 105 / 140 / 80 / 110 Mega Raichu X type: Electric -> Electric Mega Raichu Y type: Electric -> Electric/Ground Mega Raichu X Ability: Static / Lightning Rod (HA) -> Electrilate* Mega Raichu Y Ability: Static / Lightning Rod (HA) -> Ground Wire* Ability Name: ElectrilateEffect: Normal-type moves become Electric-type moves.Description: Electrilate causes all Electric-type moves used by this Pokemon to become Electric-type. In addition to the type change, these attacks also receive a 30% base power increase. Ability Name: Ground WireEffect: Makes Electric-type moves hit Ground-type Pokemon.Description: Ground Wire causes the effectiveness of damage dealing Electric-type moves against Ground-type Pokemon to change from x0 to x1. Mega X: Raichu's best option for a physical Electric move is its signature move Volt Tackle, which doesn't see alot of use due to Raichu's frailty and subpar attacking stats. However, Raichu does get access to Extremespeed as an event move, and getting the stab boost on this move would be a blessing. With Electrilate turning Extremespeed from an 80 Base Power Normal-type move into a 104 Baser Power STAB Electric type move backed by 140 Attack, Raichu can easily outspeed anything, including priority users, and smack them hard, and can even revenge kill some of OU's sweepers with it. Even better is that Electrilate boosts Return into a 135.2 STAB Base Power attack, surpassing Volt Tackle in damage. Raichu does got other interesting physical attacks as well, including Knock Off, Focus Punch, and even Fake Out. Brick Break, although weak, can be used as an alternative to Focus Punch if Substitute isn't used. If pivoting is necessary, Raichu can still make use of Volt Switch. Sample moveset: Mega X AttackerAbility: Static (Electrilate) / Item: @Raichunite XNature: Jolly or Naive w/ EVs: 252 Attack / 4 Defense / 252 SpeedMoves: Return / Extremespeed / Knock Off / Brick Break or Volt Switch Sample moveset: Mega X SubPunchAbility: Static (Electrilate) / Item: @Raichunite XNature: Jolly w/ EVs: 252 Attack / 4 Defense / 252 SpeedMoves: Substitute / Focus Punch / Extremespeed / Knock Off 252 Atk Mega Raichu X Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 270-318 (89.4 - 105.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Electrilate Mega Raichu X Extreme Speed vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 476-564 (132.5 - 157.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Electrilate Mega Raichu X Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 240-283 (80.2 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Electrilate Mega Raichu X Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gallade: 187-222 (67.5 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Electrilate Mega Raichu X Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Gyarados: 332-392 (100.3 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Mega Raichu X Focus Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 328-388 (101.5 - 120.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Mega Raichu X Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 232-274 (65.9 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery 252 Atk Electrilate Mega Raichu X Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 266-314 (79.6 - 94%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 Atk Electrilate Mega Raichu X Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Slowbro: 218-260 (55.3 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Mega Y: Remember that one instance in the anime where Ash's Pikachu was commanded to "Aim for the horn!", thus enabling it to KO Rhydon despite it being immune to electric attacks? Even Raichu's Pokedex entry in Ruby states that "If the electrical sacks become excessively charged, Raichu plants its tail in the ground and discharges." With this in mind, perhaps "aiming for the horn" isn't so ridiculous after all, as now with Ground Wire, essentially an electric type version of Scrappy, Raichu's electric attacks are no longer blocked by incoming Ground types. This is significant as Landorus-Incarnate and Landorus-Therian, both S and A rank Pokemon in OU respectively, are now hit super effectively by Thunderbolt due to their secondary Flying type. Now that Raichu actually has the ability to "cause an indian elephant to faint", its special attack sees an increase from a meager base 90 to base 140. Although its newfound Electric/Ground typing doesn't offer anything offensively, it does allow Raichu to block incoming Volt Switches and other electric moves, allowing it to emulate the effects of Lightning Rod, albeit without the Sp.Attack increase. Since ground types tend to have some bulk to them, Raichu's pathetic 55 base Defense was increased to 105. Sample moveset: Mega Y PivotAbility: Lightning Rod (Ground Wire) / Item: @Raichunite YNature: Timid w/ EVs: 4 Defense / 252 Sp.Attack / 252 SpeedMoves: Thunderbolt / Focus Blast / Hidden Power Ice / Volt Switch Sample moveset: Mega Y Sweeper/WallbreakerAbility: Lightning Rod (Ground Wire) / Item: @Raichunite YNature: Timid w/ EVs: 4 Defense / 252 Sp.Attack / 252 SpeedMoves: Thunderbolt / Focus Blast / Hidden Power Ice / Nasty Plot Hidden Power Ice, although no longer necessary to hit Ground types, Raichu still has problems getting past the Dragon types that resist its Thunderbolt without it. 252 SpA Ground Wire Mega Raichu Y Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 374-444 (97.9 - 116.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock 252 SpA Mega Raichu Y Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Garchomp: 356-420 (99.7 - 117.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock +2 252 SpA Mega Raichu Y Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 256-302 (84.7 - 100%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock +2 252 SpA Mega Raichu Y Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 276-326 (85.4 - 100.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock +2 252 SpA Mega Raichu Y Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran: 392-462 (101.8 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO Galvatron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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