[Gen6] Competitive Discussion

[Dumanios]

Welcome back to Ubers, Salamence. Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina missed you.

[Galvatron]

I see...

 

Oh Rice I want to ask you did they do a test on Diancie yet since she been released? I know her mega-form will come in later when OR/AS comes out. :-P

[RicePigeon]

Diancie's been released for a while now. Its UU.

[Galvatron]

Diancie's been released for a while now. Its UU.

Hmm. really!? I guessing that 4X weakness to steel-types and that low Hp and speed stats really hurting it huh.? :-P

[RicePigeon]

So Smogon decided to make this the final viability rank change until ORAS:

 

Zapdos: B- ---> B
Quagsire: B- ---> B
Sableye: B- ---> C+
Froslass: C- ---> C
Staraptor: B ---> B-
Zygarde: D ---> C-
Mega Heracross: A+ ---> A
Garchomp: Stays in A+
Conkeldurr: C+ ---> B-
Kingdra: B ---> B+
Rhyperior: B ---> B+
Tentacruel: D ---> C
Ampharos Mega: B- ---> C+
Blissey: D ---> C-

[Galvatron]

Blissey would had jumped to B+ if it would had became fairy-type. :-P

[RicePigeon]

Hugely better typing than Normal, but it would still have less bulk than Chansey. At least it can actually hit things, which is part of the reason it jumped to C-

 

 

Also, since Smogon stopped updating its Viability ranking until ORAS comes out, Viability discussion has its own thread now:

[RicePigeon]

Just a quick little update (and possibly the last one for XY before ORAS), Zygarde has just dropped from BL to UU.

[RicePigeon]

The result of Smogon's ongoing Shadow Tag suspect test in Ubers has come to a close:

 

Initially, the results of the voting caused Smogon to announce that Shadow Tag would be banned from Ubers effective immediately, However, after some controversy arose among the staff as to how the voting was handled, this decision was ultimately overturned.

 

To reiterate: Shadow Tag is NOT BANNED from Ubers.

 

The following statement was also issued by Smogon's staff:

Earlier today a suspect test for Ubers concluded. The way the results were interpreted were... controversial to say the least, leading to me overturning the ruling. Just to get this out of the way,

Mega Gengar will not be banned from ubers, and neither will Shadow Tag, just as the community voted.

We are instituting new policies to ensure new tier leaders understand what is expected from them. I apologize to anyone who felt they didn't get a say in this suspect test, and I hope it is some consolation that the error was corrected quickly. We'll try to prevent anything like this from happening again.

I think it's the consensus of the Smogon Ubers community that the Uber suspect tests were a bad idea, and we will not be doing them anymore.

Source: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-suspect-testing-aftermath.3522364/

[Galvatron]

 

The result of Smogon's ongoing Shadow Tag suspect test in Ubers has come to a close:

 

Initially, the results of the voting caused Smogon to announce that Shadow Tag would be banned from Ubers effective immediately, However, after some controversy arose among the staff as to how the voting was handled, this decision was ultimately overturned.

 

To reiterate: Shadow Tag is NOT BANNED from Ubers.

 

The following statement was also issued by Smogon's staff:

 

 

Source: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-suspect-testing-aftermath.3522364/

 

Well if you think about it:

Mega-Gengar that has Shadow tag is good if it was going against slow type pokemon However since it loses its levitate ability it can be a big draw back against ground, Steel and rock-types with high Attack stats that knows Earthquake :-P

 

So pretty much Shadow Tag ability can either be good or bad stratagy in battles. 

[RicePigeon]

If Shadow Tag was a bad ability, it wouldn't have gotten a suspect test to begin with.

 

The question during the whole thing was "Is Mega Gengar too good for even Ubers to handle?". The idea was that Shadow Tag allows Mega Gengar to reliably trap and kill any Pokemon, as it was perhaps the best user of it (Wobbuffet is passive and Gothitelle struggles against offensive teams). It removes the switching element from your opponent, and could potentially allow an unskilled player to beat a much higher skilled battler with minimal effort. This is why Mega Gengar was banned from Singles OU, and why Shadow Tag was banned from all tiers below OU (Wobbuffet is garbage in Singles OU and Gothitelle, as previously mentioned, excels against Stall but is dead weight against Offense).

 

Keep in mind that this only applies to Singles. Doubles is a different beast altogether and neither Mega Gengar nor Shadow Tag are broken in Doubles.

[Galvatron]

Keep in mind that this only applies to Singles. Doubles is a different beast altogether and neither Mega Gengar nor Shadow Tag are broken in Doubles.

Ah! indeed that is true. Though of course if pokemon has  moves like  'Volt-switch', 'U-turn', and 'Baton-pass' it can override that ability. :-P

[RicePigeon]

Assuming you get those Pokemon in. No smart Mega Gengar player is going to bring it in against something that can escape it.

You're going to be bringing Mega Gengar on something that it can easy KO. In Ubers, these are basically your Fairy types.

 

Mega Gengar doesn't sweep teams. It purpose is to remove the things that prevent your other Pokemon from sweeping.

[DarkWolf13]

Well, it depends who M. Gengar is up against. I defeated Mega Gengar easily in a double battle against someone some time ago, so I guess it somewhat proves your point that M. Gengar and Shadow Tag are not broken.

[RicePigeon]

Thats Doubles. Singles is a different story. Mega Gengar is broken in Singles OU, but Shadow Tag is not.

[DarkWolf13]

I know, I was talking about Doubles, I should've stated it in the end that it's not broken in Double. I've seen M Gengar beat the heck out of its opponents in singles with its immense Sp Atk.

[RicePigeon]

Smogon just posted an announcement that they are considering a quickban on Mega Salamence from OU. The announcement is as follows:

 

 

After much anticipation, ORAS is finally here! A few questions are on everybody's mind: what megas will reign supreme? what will the metagame be like? more importantly...what's the status on Mega Salamence?

It's been immediately evident to anyone who's played the ORAS OU ladder that Mega Salamence is incredibly centralizing and difficult to play around. The boosted Defense makes it hard to revenge kill with the most common priorities. The 120 base Speed means that it's able to outspeed many wanna be revenge killers (Lati@s, Thundurus, Keldeo, Starmie etc) even whitout a dragon dance under its belt. On the top of that, M-Salamence gets an Attack boost and Aerialite, which makes its Return/Double Edge hit stupidly hard even when unboosted.

Many top players from both Tournaments and Pokémon Showdown consider Mega Salemence's presence detrimental to the correct development of the ORAS metagame and have been asking us to take quick and drastic measures against it. The OU Council is currently considering quick banning Mega Salamence to Ubers. However we're not totally opposed to suspect testing it.

 

If the quickban goes through, this means that Mega Salamence will be banned from OU immediately, without the usual suspect tests that are usually done when determining if a Pokemon should be banned. Quickbans are reserved for Pokemon that are unquestionably broken and detrimental, as we saw with Mega Kangashan in X&Y.

 

Source: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/mega-salamence-considering-a-quick-ban.3522637/

[RicePigeon]

So with ORAS, Smogon just unbanned a bunch of Pokemon from UU:

 

Now the fun stuff, along with the stuff ORAS will release into UU, we will also be releasing the following Pokemon from BL (which will also have to be nominated to be voted on during the "potentially broken" stage: Klefki, Staraptor, Volcarona, Salamence (Salamencite will be banned, however), and Togekiss.

[Egnaro]

It's sad that so many people use shitty smogon to play pokemon....

[RicePigeon]

Beats having to encounter Wifi noobs who use Ubers and OHKO moves.

[Galvatron]

Beats having to encounter Wifi noobs who use Ubers and OHKO moves.

Thats true if you think about it. I rather have a nice Pokemon battle then just going agianst pokemon that can do OHKOs but the cool thing is those 'one-hit' moves has very low accuracy which means 1/10 chance those moves will hit which is why alot of trainers don't let their pokemon learned them. Other words instead of "Sheer-Cold" (5 pp / 20-30% accuracy) alot of people will perfer "Blizzard" (5 pp / 70-80% accuracy) even though blizzard is not 100% accurate (unless its Hailing or pokemon has 'Snow warning' ability) but it hits hard.

[Egnaro]

Beats having to encounter Wifi noobs who use Ubers and OHKO moves.

Not when everyone you vs now uses Smogon's movesets instead of making there own...Can't argue with what you said either though.

[RicePigeon]

People use those movesets because they work.

[Egnaro]

In other words. They can't think on there own or too lazy to make there own move set.

 

Go look at Hypno for exp....... LOL that is all

 

wtf screw hypno go look at hitmonchan LOL....They said to not even use him

[RicePigeon]

Just because you can make your own moveset doesn't mean it'll be good. X&Y has been out for a year, people have tested what movesets work and what movesets don't work. And there is a such thing as one Pokemon using a particular moveset when another Pokemon can do the same thing but better. Case in point; Mega Medicham vs Mega Gallade.

 

My point being, saying that people are too lazy to create their own movesets is not only an ill-informed opinion, but easily mistaken for trolling.