Xan

I should go up against more people soon.

Something tells me people are forgetting that SwagKey also often includes Substitute and Thunder Wave along with Foul Play. Think about it. Substitute means that if they attack/snap out of confusion, it won't do nearly as much damage as it would. Thunder Wave is rather obvious, leaving an even smaller chance of actually attacking and also pretty much guarantees that Klefki will outspeed them even with its subpar speed. Foul Play, well, runs off of the opponent's attack stat which makes Swagger all the more helpful. [/rant]

Or maybe something like Quagsire would work. Then again, some mons run Own Tempo (Lilligant, maybe Avalugg) simply because it's one of their best options.

It's more of a check. Klefki occasionally run Draining Kiss or something similar.

Lol, who needs legendaries to murder Klefki. Just get something with Own Tempo and watch its Swagger fall flat.

Believe me, that thing is infuriating beyond all belief. You haven't raged until your entire Ubers team has been swept by a SwagKey. They argued for pages about how annoying it was and how to deal with it.

Did you miss the entire point of my post? I'm saying that oftentimes, even when asking, people won't be so kind as to actually divulge what's going on. Try reading my posts more carefully.

Bit of friendly advice: don't apply your own experiences to other people. It doesn't work. Just because people tell you what's going on doesn't mean they'll tell other people what's going on. Not everybody's the founder of this forum, after all.

There's a shitton going for Malamar. I've used it and absolutely wrecked good portions of my friend's teams using it. For example: have it hold an Iron Ball and run Trick Room. Just watch out for those sneaky little bugs. EDIT:

Lol, I don't think the Maison Crobats run Confuse Ray and don't care. I'm still usually able to land a good Shadow Ball on them regardless.

Thank BW2 Move Tutors for that.

That explains a lot.

Maybe some people go afk without warning and come back to find themselves kicked, therefore unable to catch up on the conversation without asking somebody else what happened. Just a thought.

Meh I like it for what it is. The Sub also helps protect it from Thunder Wave and shit which would otherwise cripple it. It's got its uses and I like it. Especially if it keeps the sub up after killing something so it's even more annoying to take down.

I beg to differ. SubDisable + perfect coverage and Shadow Tag have won me many a battle in the past. It's hella useful for SubDisable.

Or they can just use a sound move and bypass it without Infiltrator. * Xan pets his Noivern and chuckles evilly *

Lol, MegaKang is actually really fast.

Dude. Just read up on Smogon. They know their shit better than I do. :U

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That's why they're not doing well. You're not using them correctly. I recommend you do a bit of reading up on them at other sites and see what other people do.

Are you using them properly?

Give examples. What in Ubers is supposedly not that hard to counter, and what in OU is nearly impossible to kill?

Fear my crabby visage.

In that case, I love how you use three of the banned Megas and complain about everybody using "too many OP Pokemon to win" and whatnot.

Lol, since when did you do Smogon battles? :P