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[Gen7][Meta] UnderUbers discussion: March Tier update

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So Gen 7 is here, and with it we gained a bunch of new threats, including some familiar faces. Of course, the status quo never persists between generations and Gen 7 is no exception. We all know that Pokemon that are deemed to powerful or uncompetitive for the standard tiers are banished to the Ubers tier, but what if Ubers was a usage based tier just like all the other tiers in competitive battling? How would the metagame of the lower tiers look? To simulate this, I bring you UnderUbers.
 

Also because there's been some confusion regarding this tier, allow me to say, this is NOT an official tier on neither Smogon nor Pokemon Online, and is not officially supported on any simulators. Furthermore, this tier is not officially endorsed by Nintendo/Gamefreak/TPCi. I'm not sure what would make you think the latter was the case, but people have asked me that.

 

For those who wish to play this tier on simulators, you can do so as either under the  Singles Ubers option or, on Showdown, under "Custom Battle" under the Singles Battle option.

General Rules

  • Battles are done as 6vs6 Single battles.
  • Item Clause: OFF (you may use any number of the same item).
  • Species Clause: ON (You cannot use two Pokemon with the same Pokedex number).
  • Sleep Clause: ON (only one Pokemon may be put to sleep at any given time. This does not include sleep induced by the move Rest)
  • Evasion Clause: The moves Double Team and Minimize cannot be used.
  • OHKO Clause: The moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, and Sheer Cold cannot be used.
  • Self-KO Clause: In the event of a tie caused by the use of Selfdestruct, Explosion, Destiny Bond, Perish Song, Memento, Final Gambit, or any similar suicidal move, the user of these moves will be considered to have lost the match. Self-KOs caused by recoil moves and Life Orb also fall under this category.
  • Arceus Clause: Arceus may be used, but must be holding either a plate item or a Z-Crystal. In addition, Arceus cannot be holding the Dread, Pixie, Spooky, Earth, Iron, or Splash plates, nor is Arceus permitted to be holding Darkinium-Z, Fairium-Z, Ghostium-Z, Groundium-Z, Normalium-Z, Steelium-Z, or Waterium-Z.
  • Mega Rayquaza Clause: Rayquaza is not allowed to Mega Evolve.
  • Eligible Pokemon must have attained no more than 3.41% usage in the Ubers metagame, according to Smogon's 1630 ladder stats. Tier shifts will every 3 months, just like every other tier.

 

List of Pokemon banned from UnderUbers:

Aegislash, Arceus-Dark, Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Ghost, Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Normal, Arceus-Steel, Arceus-Water, Blaziken, Darkrai, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Speed, Dialga, Ditto, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Genesect, Gengar (Mega), Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Groudon (Primal), Ho-oh, Kangaskhan (Mega), Kyogre (Primal), Kyurem-White, Lucario (Mega), Lugia, Lunala, Magearna, Mewtwo, Mewtwo (Mega X), Mewtwo (Mega Y), Rayquaza, Salamence (Mega), Shaymin-Sky, Smeargle, Solgaleo, Tapu Lele, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde (50%), Zygarde (Complete).

 

List of Items banned from UnderUbers:

Blue Orb, Red Orb, Gengarite, Griseous Orb, Kangaskhanite, Lucarionite, Mewtwonite X, Mewtwonite Y, Salamencite

 

List of Abilities banned from UnderUbers:

Moody, Power Construct

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So December's usage statistics are out. Since Gen 7 has only been out for two months, a system of quick rises & quick drops will be used, where any Pokemon above 6.70% usage will be banned from UnderUbers, while anything below 1.72% usage will be allowed in UnderUbers. Anything in between remains unchanged.


 

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Name    Nov    Dec
Groudon-Primal    66.31%    68.64%
Xerneas    44.79%    47.33%
Yveltal    35.48%    34.64%
Lunala    34.13%    23.93%
Arceus-Normal    38.03%    23.83%
Salamence-Mega    13.21%    23.10%
Solgaleo    37.41%    19.43%
Kyogre-Primal    9.70%    17.51%
Deoxys-A    7.99%    16.43%
Zygarde-50%    4.37%    15.73%
Gengar-Mega    16.55%    14.07%
Lucario-Mega    1.29%    13.33%
Arceus-Water    10.65%    13.08%
Giratina-O    11.28%    11.50%
Ho-oh    13.87%    10.14%
Lugia    9.20%    9.61%
Rayquaza    17.79%    7.75%
Deoxys-S    5.11%    7.74%
Arceus-Ground    9.15%    7.57%
Aegislash    2.09%    7.19%
Arceus-Ghost    8.46%    7.14%
Magearna    6.03%    6.93%
;------------Quick Rise Cutoff--------------
Kangaskhan-Mega    6.36%    5.94%
Tapu Lele    5.87%    5.62%
Kyurem-White    0.13%    5.51%
Darkrai    1.05%    5.26%
Mewtwo    1.39%    5.23%
Arceus-Fairy    4.83%    4.89%
Ferrothorn    1.56%    4.68%
Toxapex    7.50%    4.59%
Arceus-Dark    5.22%    4.51%
Smeargle    2.60%    4.12%
Dialga    2.56%    4.07%
Ditto    1.56%    4.03%
Pheromosa    21.02%    3.90%
Shaymin-Sky    2.42%    3.88%
Blaziken    2.16%    3.68%
Palkia    5.54%    3.00%
Giratina-A    0.03%    2.87%
Chansey    6.12%    2.77%
Scolipede    0.00%    2.74%
Greninja-Ash    12.00%    2.72%
Excadrill    0.00%    2.69%
Arceus-Steel    0.38%    2.50%
Zekrom    2.09%    2.46%
Kartana    3.78%    2.40%
Kyogre    0.00%    2.39%
Sableye-Mega    1.33%    2.15%
Arceus-Rock    3.95%    2.13%
Greninja    2.39%    2.01%
Genesect    8.00%    1.96%
Eevee    8.72%    1.86%
Tapu Koko    3.39%    1.85%
;------------Quick Drop Cutoff--------------

 

 

 

 

The Following Pokemon are now Banned from UnderUbers

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Aegislash, Lucario (Mega), Magearna

 

The Following Pokemon are now Allowed in UnderUbers:

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Decidueye, Dugtrio, Forretress, Kommo-o, Tyranitar, Whimsicott

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January's usage stats are out, and a system of quick rises & quick drops will be used, where any Pokemon above 4.52% usage will be banned from UnderUbers, while anything below 2.28% usage will be allowed in UnderUbers. Anything in between remains unchanged.

 

Spoiler

Name    Nov    Dec    Jan    TOTAL
Groudon-Primal    66.31%    68.64%    66.84%    67.0437%
Xerneas    44.79%    47.33%    45.50%    45.6996%
Yveltal    35.48%    34.64%    34.82%    34.8275%
Arceus-Normal    38.03%    23.83%    25.20%    25.5661%
Salamence-Mega    13.21%    23.10%    21.73%    21.5502%
Lunala    34.13%    23.93%    20.08%    21.1487%
Kyogre-Primal    9.70%    17.51%    18.88%    18.3244%
Solgaleo    37.41%    19.43%    15.43%    16.8433%
Deoxys-A    7.99%    16.43%    14.89%    14.7951%
Gengar-Mega    16.55%    14.07%    14.65%    14.6595%
Lucario-Mega    1.29%    13.33%    13.67%    13.1100%
Giratina-O    11.28%    11.50%    12.35%    12.1960%
Zygarde-50%    4.37%    15.73%    11.31%    11.5736%
Arceus-Water    10.65%    13.08%    11.04%    11.2759%
Ho-oh    13.87%    10.14%    11.03%    11.0339%
Lugia    9.20%    9.61%    9.85%    9.7966%
Rayquaza    17.79%    7.75%    9.58%    9.6962%
Magearna    6.03%    6.93%    9.63%    9.1400%
Arceus-Ground    9.15%    7.57%    7.92%    7.9297%
Aegislash    2.09%    7.19%    7.44%    7.1840%
Deoxys-S    5.11%    7.74%    6.83%    6.8733%
Arceus-Ghost    8.46%    7.14%    6.29%    6.4896%
Kyurem-White    0.13%    5.51%    6.42%    6.0441%
Kangaskhan-Mega    6.36%    5.94%    5.84%    5.8705%
Tapu Lele    5.87%    5.62%    5.64%    5.6432%
Mewtwo    1.39%    5.23%    5.89%    5.6205%
Ferrothorn    1.56%    4.68%    5.53%    5.2585%
Shaymin-Sky    2.42%    3.88%    4.86%    4.6322%
Smeargle    2.60%    4.12%    4.74%    4.5754%
;---------------HIGH CUTOFF----------------------
Darkrai    1.05%    5.26%    4.50%    4.4552%
Arceus-Fairy    4.83%    4.89%    4.15%    4.2717%
Arceus-Dark    5.22%    4.51%    4.19%    4.2697%
Pheromosa    21.02%    3.90%    3.47%    4.2561%
Ditto    1.56%    4.03%    4.14%    4.0142%
Dialga    2.56%    4.07%    4.06%    3.9998%
Blaziken    2.16%    3.68%    4.01%    3.8924%
Arceus-Steel    0.38%    2.50%    4.15%    3.7867%
Giratina-A    0.03%    2.87%    3.96%    3.6591%
Toxapex    7.50%    4.59%    2.94%    3.3321%
Chansey    6.12%    2.77%    3.07%    3.1609%
Genesect    8.00%    1.96%    3.09%    3.1573%
Excadrill    0.00%    2.69%    3.27%    3.0634%
Scolipede    0.00%    2.74%    3.23%    3.0357%
Greninja-Ash    12.00%    2.72%    2.59%    2.9992%
Zekrom    2.09%    2.46%    2.78%    2.7155%
Palkia    5.54%    3.00%    2.51%    2.6958%
Arceus-Rock    3.95%    2.13%    2.69%    2.6741%
Sableye-Mega    1.33%    2.15%    2.59%    2.4823%
Eevee    8.72%    1.86%    2.12%    2.3647%
;----------------LOW CUTOFF---------------------------
Kyogre    0.00%    2.39%    2.21%    2.1423%
Kartana    3.78%    2.40%    1.86%    2.0049%

 

The Following Pokemon are now Banned from UnderUbers

Ferrothorn, Kyurem-White, Mewtwo, Shaymin-Sky, Smeargle, Tapu Lele

 

The Following Pokemon are now Allowed in UnderUbers:


Kartana

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February's usage stats are out. Because of the 3-month cycle for rises/drops, the high and low cutoff will be 3.41% usage.

 

Spoiler

Groudon-Primal    68.64%    66.84%    67.55%    67.5075%
Xerneas    47.33%    45.50%    46.33%    46.2656%
Yveltal    34.64%    34.82%    32.31%    32.7248%
Arceus-Normal    23.83%    25.20%    25.01%    24.9823%
Salamence-Mega    23.10%    21.73%    19.50%    19.9286%
Kyogre-Primal    17.51%    18.88%    19.00%    18.9192%
Lunala    23.93%    20.08%    18.36%    18.8093%
Deoxys-A    16.43%    14.89%    15.69%    15.6169%
Lucario-Mega    13.33%    13.67%    15.52%    15.1968%
Gengar-Mega    14.07%    14.65%    13.93%    14.0256%
Solgaleo    19.43%    15.43%    13.39%    13.8932%
Giratina-O    11.50%    12.35%    12.96%    12.8201%
Ho-oh    10.14%    11.03%    12.93%    12.5730%
Lugia    9.61%    9.85%    11.24%    11.0028%
Rayquaza    7.75%    9.58%    11.38%    11.0023%
Arceus-Ground    7.57%    7.92%    10.29%    9.8821%
Arceus-Water    13.08%    11.04%    8.95%    9.3866%
Zygarde-50%    15.73%    11.31%    8.45%    9.1084%
Arceus-Ghost    7.14%    6.29%    8.95%    8.5424%
Aegislash    7.19%    7.44%    7.82%    7.7457%
Magearna    6.93%    9.63%    7.22%    7.5129%
Deoxys-S    7.74%    6.83%    7.59%    7.5035%
Mewtwo    5.23%    5.89%    6.82%    6.6388%
Kyurem-White    5.51%    6.42%    6.52%    6.4682%
Kangaskhan-Mega    5.94%    5.84%    5.78%    5.7902%
Dialga    4.07%    4.06%    6.05%    5.7150%
Ferrothorn    4.68%    5.53%    5.74%    5.6714%
Darkrai    5.26%    4.50%    5.50%    5.3660%
Blaziken    3.68%    4.01%    5.17%    4.9621%
Genesect    1.96%    3.09%    5.03%    4.6620%
Shaymin-Sky    3.88%    4.86%    4.42%    4.4526%
Tapu Lele    5.62%    5.64%    4.14%    4.3905%
Arceus-Dark    4.51%    4.19%    4.25%    4.2557%
Ditto    4.03%    4.14%    4.09%    4.0912%
Giratina-A    2.87%    3.96%    4.10%    4.0294%
Smeargle    4.12%    4.74%    3.73%    3.8694%
Excadrill    2.69%    3.27%    3.93%    3.7929%
Arceus-Fairy    4.89%    4.15%    3.44%    3.5859%
Arceus-Steel    2.50%    4.15%    3.47%    3.5164%
;--------------------High/Low Cutoff---------------
Chansey    2.77%    3.07%    3.24%    3.2007%

 

 

The Following Pokemon are now Banned from UnderUbers

Arceus-Fairy, Blaziken, Darkrai, Dialga, Ditto, Excadrill, Giratina-Altered

 

The Following Pokemon are now Allowed in UnderUbers:

Arceus-Rock, Chansey, Eevee, Greninja-Ash, Palkia, Pheromosa, Toxapex

 

EDIT: On the issue of the recently released Mega Stones, Mewtwonite X and Mewtwonite Y are banned on account of Mewtwo being banned, whilst Mawilite ad Beedrillite are allowed.

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