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Usage stats for quick rises/drops for Doubles UnderUbers:


 

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Name    January    February    March    TOTAL
Groudon-Primal    56.93%    65.91%    58.63%    59.4721%
Xerneas    55.72%    53.18%    54.07%    54.0289%
Kyogre-Primal    44.38%    43.05%    52.20%    50.7307%
Rayquaza-Mega    21.84%    24.79%    33.91%    32.2638%
Yveltal    17.56%    16.29%    23.15%    22.0558%
Kangaskhan-Mega    20.69%    22.94%    18.87%    19.4520%
Arceus-Normal    20.58%    23.52%    18.75%    19.4189%
Ho-oh    11.35%    11.22%    15.30%    14.6269%
Lugia    12.40%    10.18%    13.00%    12.6256%
Mew    7.07%    12.09%    12.02%    11.8241%
Arceus-Ghost    14.24%    10.05%    11.75%    11.6443%
Dialga    8.23%    9.18%    9.72%    9.5887%
Liepard    6.63%    7.80%    7.52%    7.5179%
Cresselia    6.50%    8.46%    7.15%    7.2850%
Mewtwo-MegaY    7.18%    8.86%    6.95%    7.1995%
;-----------------------------------------------
Hitmontop    11.96%    9.61%    5.59%    6.3552%
Greninja    9.97%    9.15%    5.70%    6.3100%
Aegislash    5.02%    5.03%    6.53%    6.2753%
Shaymin-Sky    4.97%    6.96%    5.97%    6.0487%
Zekrom    7.19%    5.53%    5.86%    5.8764%
Sableye    6.98%    9.70%    5.19%    5.8325%
Mawile-Mega    2.38%    4.91%    5.75%    5.5070%
Talonflame    2.91%    3.16%    5.95%    5.4791%
Deoxys-A    5.33%    7.03%    5.19%    5.4279%
Palkia    2.63%    6.04%    5.44%    5.4000%
Salamence-Mega    6.85%    5.50%    5.11%    5.2284%
Reshiram    2.95%    3.45%    5.57%    5.1924%
Thundurus-Incarnate    7.86%    4.95%    4.98%    5.1004%
Arceus-Steel    5.16%    3.27%    5.00%    4.7883%
White Kyurem    6.10%    3.87%    4.75%    4.6983%
Giratina-O    5.07%    6.13%    4.23%    4.4989%
Smeargle    3.75%    5.13%    4.40%    4.4662%
Mewtwo-MegaX    4.86%    4.28%    4.23%    4.2625%
Darkrai    2.32%    2.05%    4.62%    4.2006%
Whimsicott    6.55%    4.29%    3.45%    3.6819%
Meowstic-M    4.13%    4.22%    3.46%    3.5797%
Jirachi    1.84%    1.19%    3.94%    3.5123%
Diancie-Mega    2.44%    3.87%    3.13%    3.1952%
Arceus-Fairy    1.38%    3.21%    3.28%    3.1924%
Landorus-Therian    4.18%    5.82%    2.73%    3.1789%
Ferrothorn    5.62%    5.25%    2.41%    2.9001%
Mewtwo    3.10%    2.91%    2.79%    2.8182%
Genesect    4.59%    3.83%    2.45%    2.7132%
Togekiss    2.71%    4.14%    2.46%    2.6761%
Ditto    3.15%    2.02%    2.51%    2.4775%
Klefki    2.63%    2.81%    2.02%    2.1488%
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Blaziken-Mega    3.50%    1.91%    1.40%    1.5531%


 

 

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Some Singles Viability changes:

 

Hoopa Unbound : A+ -> B+

  • Offense is the most prominent playstyle from what I can tell and Hoopa-U has always struggled against it, even in OU before its ban. After testing it out, the Choice Scarf set is just underwhelming (it can't RK Blaziken or SD Arceus-Dragon, and even Mega Mawile bodies it)

Incarnate Forme : S -> A+

  • As good as it is, 101 speed is an awkward speed tier. It still hits hard, but with stuff like Blaziken and Mega Mawile running around, it has a harder time against offense.

Therian Forme : A -> A+

  • I underestimated this thing's ability to check Mega Mawile and soft check Blaziken, which are really threatening in their own right.

257.png : A -> A+

  • Probably one of the most threatening Pokemon for offense and has good synergy with Mega Mawile, as they share common checks in Landorus-T and Mega Slowbro and can overwhelm them together. If Mega Mawile is going to be A+ rank then so should this thing.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/icon/006-mx.png : S -> A+

  • It was overdue for this thing to move down. Still threatening in its own right, but it's not very splashable and I can't think of an instance where I wasn't using another Mega.

530.png : Added to B+

  • Pretty much requires Sand to be effective and can sweep through anything not named Blaziken or +2 Mega Mawile.

[IMG](Grass) : Added to B+

  • Been playing with this recently. Solid check to Groudon and, depending on what set it runs, Azumarill as well. Can also run several coverage moves to hit its common switch-ins, and isn't too bad at using Calm Mind either, though only running two moves + Recover + Calm Mind kinda hurts it.

630.png : added to C

  • Slayraptor64 demanded I add this somewhere. Obviously not the best Defog user but it does have some qualities worth noting, such as Knock Off spam and ability to take out some heavy physical hitters with Foul Play (for instance, it OHKOs +2 Blaziken after Flare Blitz & Life Orb recoil, and lives any unboosted attacks).

303-m.png : A+ -> S

  • Probably one of the most threatening wallbreakers out there, and usually the first choice for a Mega whenever I'm building a team. All this really needs is Blaziken as a teammate to start wreaking havoc on the opponent as they whittle down each other's shared checks and counters.
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  • 3 weeks later...

New month and time for a full tier shift update:

 

Singles:

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Name    February    March    April    TOTAL
Groudon-Primal    68.67%    68.72%    69.11%    69.0433%
Xerneas    51.49%    51.16%    52.05%    51.9194%
Arceus-Normal    37.59%    37.27%    38.96%    38.6925%
Darkrai    25.66%    26.53%    25.30%    25.4705%
Kyogre-Primal    21.19%    22.94%    22.04%    22.1130%
Yveltal    20.19%    21.48%    21.71%    21.6175%
Salamence-Mega    18.76%    17.49%    19.51%    19.2281%
Lugia    18.00%    18.52%    17.43%    17.5887%
Ho-oh    17.74%    16.73%    15.62%    15.8510%
Rayquaza    13.78%    13.86%    13.54%    13.5897%
Deoxys-A    13.88%    13.00%    13.14%    13.1542%
Giratina-O    10.04%    10.61%    11.73%    11.5189%
Gengar-Mega    10.44%    11.72%    11.43%    11.4237%
Kangaskhan-Mega    11.92%    11.40%    11.27%    11.3148%
Aegislash    10.66%    11.00%    10.27%    10.3773%
Mewtwo-MegaY    10.31%    10.01%    9.16%    9.3171%
Arceus-Ghost    9.24%    8.43%    8.59%    8.5953%
Klefki    8.03%    8.15%    8.26%    8.2373%
Genesect    7.63%    8.00%    8.10%    8.0641%
Deoxys-S    8.16%    7.34%    8.04%    7.9558%
Greninja    7.11%    7.55%    6.73%    6.8456%
Dialga    6.83%    6.78%    6.74%    6.7477%
Latios    7.51%    6.20%    6.59%    6.5838%
Mewtwo-MegaX    7.75%    6.80%    6.06%    6.2250%
Lucario-Mega    5.11%    5.18%    5.90%    5.7797%
Arceus-Ground    4.89%    4.55%    5.91%    5.7000%
Shaymin-Sky    6.06%    5.58%    5.62%    5.6369%
Ferrothorn    5.55%    4.81%    5.48%    5.3963%
Ditto    5.60%    5.73%    5.31%    5.3723%
Kyurem-White    5.90%    6.30%    5.03%    5.2255%
Mewtwo    4.95%    5.30%    5.15%    5.1595%
Blaziken-Mega    4.59%    4.89%    5.07%    5.0292%
Giratina-A    5.53%    4.79%    4.56%    4.6266%
Arceus-Water    4.36%    4.49%    4.62%    4.5907%
Zekrom    4.74%    5.42%    4.36%    4.5077%
Diancie-Mega    4.25%    4.30%    4.40%    4.3789%
Latias    4.69%    4.52%    3.67%    3.8186%
Arceus-Rock    3.82%    3.75%    3.66%    3.6803%
Arceus-Fairy    3.77%    3.02%    3.67%    3.5929%
Blaziken    4.24%    4.02%    3.39%    3.5021%
Sableye-Mega    3.97%    3.62%    3.41%    3.4602%
;----------------------------------------------
Kyogre    3.79%    3.60%    3.35%    3.4042%
Palkia    3.18%    3.10%    3.22%    3.2033%

 

Doubles:

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Name    February    March    April    TOTAL
Groudon-Primal    65.91%    58.63%    62.68%    62.3116%
Kyogre-Primal    43.05%    52.20%    54.37%    53.6254%
Xerneas    53.18%    54.07%    53.52%    53.5711%
Rayquaza-Mega    24.79%    33.91%    30.73%    30.8803%
Kangaskhan-Mega    22.94%    18.87%    24.45%    23.6874%
Arceus-Normal    23.52%    18.75%    19.15%    19.2802%
Yveltal    16.29%    23.15%    17.89%    18.4799%
Ho-oh    11.22%    15.30%    14.89%    14.7849%
Lugia    10.18%    13.00%    14.96%    14.5143%
Arceus-Ghost    10.05%    11.75%    10.74%    10.8347%
Mew    12.09%    12.02%    10.55%    10.7985%
Dialga    9.18%    9.72%    10.59%    10.4258%
Cresselia    8.46%    7.15%    10.75%    10.2025%
Sableye    9.70%    5.19%    7.26%    7.1046%
Thundurus-Incarnate    4.95%    4.98%    7.25%    6.8673%
Whimsicott    4.29%    3.45%    7.31%    6.7024%
Ferrothorn    5.25%    2.41%    6.92%    6.2841%
Talonflame    3.16%    5.95%    6.27%    6.1048%
Mawile-Mega    4.91%    5.75%    5.97%    5.8993%
Mewtwo-MegaY    8.86%    6.95%    5.34%    5.6918%
Hitmontop    9.61%    5.59%    5.26%    5.4820%
Zekrom    5.53%    5.86%    5.32%    5.3963%
White Kyurem    3.87%    4.75%    5.44%    5.2871%
Greninja    9.15%    5.70%    5.02%    5.2776%
Liepard    7.80%    7.52%    4.72%    5.1977%
Salamence-Mega    5.50%    5.11%    5.18%    5.1876%
Smeargle    5.13%    4.40%    5.25%    5.1431%
Shaymin-Sky    6.96%    5.97%    4.58%    4.8550%
Giratina-O    6.13%    4.23%    4.81%    4.7938%
;------------------------------------------------
Aegislash    5.03%    6.53%    3.98%    4.3393%
Palkia    6.04%    5.44%    4.03%    4.2943%
Landorus-Therian    5.82%    2.73%    4.41%    4.2631%
Genesect    3.83%    2.45%    4.26%    4.0150%
Klefki    2.81%    2.02%    3.95%    3.6588%
Deoxys-A    7.03%    5.19%    2.93%    3.3855%
Terrakion    1.26%    0.97%    3.83%    3.3688%
Gengar-Mega    2.59%    2.81%    3.39%    3.2810%
Darkrai    2.05%    4.62%    3.06%    3.2138%
Reshiram    3.45%    5.57%    2.82%    3.1861%
Jirachi    1.19%    3.94%    3.09%    3.1160%
Amoonguss    2.11%    1.44%    3.33%    3.0446%
Mewtwo    2.91%    2.79%    3.07%    3.0260%
Hoopa-Unbound    1.20%    0.90%    3.34%    2.9450%
Arceus-Steel    3.27%    5.00%    2.55%    2.8855%
Mewtwo-MegaX    4.28%    4.23%    2.39%    2.6953%
Ditto    2.02%    2.51%    2.74%    2.6857%
Arceus-Fairy    3.21%    3.28%    2.37%    2.5193%
Diancie-Mega    3.87%    3.13%    2.35%    2.5100%
;-------------------------------------------------
Meowstic-M    4.22%    3.46%    1.98%    2.2595%

 

The following Pokemon are now banned from Singles UnderUbers:

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The following Pokemon are no longer banned from Singles UnderUbers:

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The following Pokemon are now banned from Doubles UnderUbers:

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The following Pokemon are no longer banned from Doubles UnderUbers:

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Thoughts: By a 0.09% margin the Singles UnderUbers tier lost a powerful Sweeper/Cleaner/Wallbreaker in Blaziken but in exchange gained Skarmory as a great defensive utility Pokemon, providing defensively inclined teams with a great Spikes user that can stomach a hit from Mega Mawile providing that it doesnt run Swords Dance + Fire Punch. Not sure how to feel about this tradeoff.

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