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yeah sure get on about it and give me negatives :/ its always my fault i mean the icon not the character if i was able to prove my point i would've done it but since nobody can see he banned me to keep me from doing it I'm not gon say anything else i lost everything i made a few days before my birthday and this happened :/ if he didn't touch it at all it never would've happened :/

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ya just remove dem from da blacklist and instead hate each other in secret and act like nothing ever happened

who the fuck cares at this point

also

DON'T ANSWER THAT

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i spent too much time making my characters it gets stolen 4 times and people get on me about it like the people who stole it are the ones who made it they get away with stealing my work i get banned and lose everything i actually had something going for myself they ruined it stealing my work i say one thing people get on me you can't put dislikes on my content and get on me about doing it to other people,you can't sit here and criticize me as a moderator,you cannot talk about my work and laugh at me when you don't have a inch of the skills i have,you cannot steal my work and claim it like you're the original creator of it i had lots of authors that appreciated my work,i had a status that suited me hell i probably would've been a popular author and i sorta was :/ and you seriously cannot sit here and steal my content as an administrator and ban me for saying something about it i will NEVER forget that but none of this matters anymore I'm going back to sleep........I'm not responding to this no more

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Assuming that your accusations are true, what exactly do you expect us to do about it? From what I gather, this is something that happened off-site, and no reasonable person is going to expect us to ban kater from MFFA purely because of actions that he may or may not have done over on MA, which is way outside of our jurisdiction.

 

Aside from that, you've still failed to provide anything of substance to back up your claims, despite various people, including myself, instructing you to do so multiple times. If you're not going to provide anything of substance, then all it will do in the long run is make you look like you're just rambling on and on and using it to incite drama against other users; which is exactly what you've been doing so far as we have had to give you several warnings as well as an infraction for harassing other users and making threats of violence, respectively.

 

Consider this your last warning. Either provide something of substance or just drop it entirely, or else we will take further action if this continues.

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Why did we revive this?

 

I think anyone who's not a complete tool knows that MA content uploaded by admins is not to be respected

All I see is some person who got real salty over their work being stolen, this happens all the time in MUGEN, get over it.

 

Unless your character had completely original high quality spritework you made for it (something that can cost alot of money to have done), this isn't worth fighting over.

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@Darkflare I'm afraid I owe you an apology. I tried to be fair and evenhanded when I was here last, but as it turns out you were completely right about Mugen Archive... or rather about Dizzy, since for all intents and purposes Dizzy is the Mugen Archive (if there are other mods, they just let him do whatever he wants).

 

I think I'm gonna take a break from Mugen for a little while, but before I did I felt like I need to let the MUGEN community know something. Right now, there's a "debate" going on at MA (in this thread) over forcing new users to submit their phone numbers for verification. Everyone, here and everywhere should know that this is almost certainly a data mining scheme of Dizzy's to harvest user information to sell. I called him out on the possibility of this (I wasn't sure yet) in this post which was instantly nuked by Dizzy. I'd taken a screencap of it in advance because I thought he might pull something like that, and lo and behold. I tried to give Dizzy the benefit of the doubt there (for what little benefit of the doubt he deserves at this point), but the speed at which that post was nuked erased any doubt in my mind to Dizzy's intentions. When he implements phone verification (and it's a when, not an if; Dizzy only pretends to listen to the MA community to keep up appearances), I'd be very careful about any data I submitted to his site if I was a new user. He wouldn't be so aggressive about this scheme of his if there wasn't something in it for him.

 

To you old timers who tried to warn me about MA the last time I was here, I apologize for my skepticism. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt but Dizzy aka BladeArt has proven himself to be a bad faith actor. He hides behind a cute anime girl name and avatar so people feel uncomfortable about criticizing his incompetent modding, and if they criticize him anyway, he bans them. He gives nothing to the MUGEN community, he only takes, and on top of that he's driven off several content creators with his sociopathic behavior. He's a disease infecting the MUGEN community, and my only regret is I didn't see that sooner.

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Someone brought up the phone verification thing in another discord a few days ago, so I'll sum up what I said then.

 

Dizzy's claim that their discord server is lively is, frankly, bullshit. Unless the MA staff is actively deleting 90%+ messages on a daily basis, the activity that I've witnessed there is very minimal, if not 0, with only a few messages every other day or so. While I can't speak about implementing phone verification on their forums & site as a whole since this is news to me, I can speak from experience that phone verification, at least on Discord, does almost nothing to stop spam attacks. In the aftermath of the DDoS we received in early April, we elevated the security to require phone verification and, while this stopped spam accounts from posting messages in our discord, it did nothing to stop them from saying what they wanted to say by making their user name the message, many of which were targeting the same individual. In the meantime, several legitimate accounts were negatively affected by this and unable to access our discord server either because they were unable or unwilling to disclose a cell phone number for verification purposes, some going far as citing privacy concerns (and rightfully so); this led to us creating a workaround by granting known users a dummy "approved" role so they wouldn't be affected by this change, which we eventually rescinded because of the undue burden it was putting on legitimate users while doing nothing to stop the influx of spam accounts, and I have no doubt in my mind that something similar could happen to MA if they do decide to go through with this.

 

Of course, if Dizzy is adamant on implementing this feature, he is either unable or (most likely) unwilling to take these negative repercussions into account.

 

EDIT; Seeing as this thread seems to be going in the direction of a general MA discussion thread, I'll be allowing the posting of MA links here for the purposes of providing context.

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You got banned from MA, didn't you?

 

Yea, I figured that one by looking at Diz's actions over the past....2-3 years or so. And while I can't prove it, I'm absolutely sure the DDOS that happened in April was MA's doing(Whether it was Dizzy or one of his MA zealots)

 

My opinion hasn't changed, in fact his recent actions has further reinforced my thoughts. Archive is a good idea in theory, but it's run by the worst kind of people.

 

1 hour ago, Milbury said:

He hides behind a cute anime girl name and avatar so people feel uncomfortable about criticizing his incompetent modding,

 

It's from a video game. One of the best fighting game series even.

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I would have to agree, at this point this isn't about blacklisting the site from sharing content. I think we can all agree that there's only 1 person pulling all the strings and using the archive's hosted content exclusivity as a means to enthrall users to serve Dizzy.

 

We went from ad.fly, something legit creators across the internet use as a donation option (note: option, most still provide alternative direct link for those who don't want to use ad.fly) to what I can only describe now as a scandal.

 

This is really starting to get bad, I told a friend about this and they described it as "Facebook scandal" levels of bad.

 

I think the only way this is going to stop is to take Dizzy's power aware, and I can only see that happening through 2 means:
1: Legal action against him by the masses and a binding judgement to keep him in check.

2: Educate the masses, a popular youtuber or other media outlet to warns users en-mass about what the archive "really" is.

 

Agreed, the archive is a novel idea, just in the wrong hands of the wrong people with the wrong amount of power.

 

1 hour ago, Darkflare said:

 

It's from a video game. One of the best fighting game series even.

 

Not just the avatar, he's quite literally using the same name as well as that character. I am unsure if this is meant to intentional because of MUGEN, or he just really, really likes said character... Who knows, but that's not important right now.

EDIT: I'm not trying to sound like I'm "correcting" you Darkflare, just adding onto what you said.

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https://<BLACKLISTED URL>/eu-cookie/privacy.html

"The MUGEN ARCHIVE does not sell or trade any user information to any third party. "

 

when you say they sell your info without proof, it's called defamation

and when covered by admins (who claim that asking for a proof = trolling = ban) , it's called organized crime

mffa is a criminal site

 

why do I bother tho, this post will be deleted to cover up the hate hive mind

why do I bother tho, no one ever turned into a well educated person upon being told they're little thugs

why do I bother tho, no one ever regained their sanity upon being told they're batshit craze

 

one thing bothers me tho, mugen archive is being way to soft ... their "haters gonna hate" or "don't fed the trollz" stance is way too soft, if not bollocks

you can't stop criminals with flowers, you've got to break their fucking bones to stop them

mugen archive ought to have loads of money and money is power, why they don't use that power to destroy you is beyond me

is it because they don't take you seriously ? I don't know but it's time to harden up

 

I've posted an article on the matter : www.reddit.com/r/mugenguild/comments/bu49vi/my_personal_thoughts_about_the_mugen_wars/

The main point is the internet is a lawless place when mental retards can get away with anything till they get someone killed. That's why I think mugen archive needs to harden up and break you once and for all because it's clear brutality is the only thing you could ever understand.

 

and I would hate being entirely off topic

this whole thread is a bad joke, banning mugen archive for adfly (which they don't even have) and yet adfly links are all over mffa, and yet you didn't blacklist yourself? go figure, just a big fucking joke for whoever is stupid enough to buy it

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47 minutes ago, sero said:

https://<BLACKLISTED URL>/eu-cookie/privacy.html

"The MUGEN ARCHIVE does not sell or trade any user information to any third party. "

 

when you say they sell your info without proof, it's called defamation

and when covered by admins (who claim that asking for a proof = trolling = ban) , it's called organized crime

mffa is a criminal site

 

why do I bother tho, this post will be deleted to cover up the hate hive mind

why do I bother tho, no one ever turned into a well educated person upon being told they're little thugs

why do I bother tho, no one ever regained their sanity upon being told they're batshit craze

 

one thing bothers me tho, mugen archive is being way to soft ... their "haters gonna hate" or "don't fed the trollz" stance is way too soft, if not bollocks

you can't stop criminals with flowers, you've got to break their fucking bones to stop them

mugen archive ought to have loads of money and money is power, why they don't use that power to destroy you is beyond me

is it because they don't take you seriously ? I don't know but it's time to harden up

 

I've posted an article on the matter : www.reddit.com/r/mugenguild/comments/bu49vi/my_personal_thoughts_about_the_mugen_wars/

The main point is the internet is a lawless place when mental retards can get away with anything till they get someone killed. That's why I think mugen archive needs to harden up and break you once and for all because it's clear brutality is the only thing you could ever understand.

 

and I would hate being entirely off topic

this whole thread is a bad joke, banning mugen archive for adfly (which they don't even have) and yet adfly links are all over mffa, and yet you didn't blacklist yourself? go figure, just a big fucking joke for whoever is stupid enough to buy it

You know... If you made an account just now for trying to Gaslight MFFA and White Knight for MA, you failed really horribly.

I do agree that, in normal cases I would just write this whole (Archive deal) off as a "Fuck you" and walk away because this really is a bunch of BS. But Dizzy has far too much power and far too much hunger for it, and he's feeding off innocent people to get it.

I think many people will agree that cannot slide. Dizzy gained superiority through dishonest means and continues to do so, and honestly he's the only one who cares about being superior. The rest of us just want to see this BS come to an end.

 

You wanna tell me about Crime? How about how the Archive issued a DDOS attack against MFFA? MA threw the first punches and we've been merely defending back, who else would DDOS other mugen sites?

Though I am going to tell you oh so shiny White Knight of the archive, that if they do take serious action. They're in for ALOT worse than they know from entities that involve.

Do you think SNK or Capcom would feel comfortable knowing their work is involved in this BS? I know I wouldn't.

Just accept that MA is being run by a tyrant, and their choices are the whole

 

You know why we're not going to delete this message or lock you out? It's because we're NOT a hugbox, we can take drama, and I think we all agree that the Archive itself isn't what's evil, just their leading admin who pulls all the strings.

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12 hours ago, IDGCaptainRussia said:

Not just the avatar, he's quite literally using the same name as well as that character. I am unsure if this is meant to intentional because of MUGEN, or he just really, really likes said character...

The original members of staff all have a Guilty Gear theme going on.

 

It's the same song and dance each time a new topic arises in this thread, though at least this time Captain Moron here revealed himself as dat-reddit-dud, which reminds me: who's the real toxic piece of shit here?

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Because I'm thinking it's you @sero

 

I contributed positively to the MUGEN subreddit, yet you decided to pull this. For someone who likes to echo Dizzy words (hmm hmm) about providing evidence if you're going to accuse someone of something, you sure like to think it's OK to insult the ever-loving fuck out of me and accuse me of things I never did without proving I did them.

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4 hours ago, sero said:

mffa is a criminal site

4 hours ago, sero said:

you can't stop criminals with flowers, you've got to break their fucking bones to stop them

4 hours ago, sero said:

mugen archive ought to have loads of money and money is power, why they don't use that power to destroy you is beyond me

4 hours ago, sero said:

mental retards can get away with anything till they get someone killed. That's why I think mugen archive needs to harden up and break you once and for all because it's clear brutality is the only thing you could ever understand.

 

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't just ban you right now for flamebaiting & making threats of violence against members of the site. You have 24 hours, starting now.

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20 hours ago, RicePigeon said:

Someone brought up the phone verification thing in another discord a few days ago, so I'll sum up what I said then. [...]

 

As far as I can tell, the phone verification thing doesn't even have anything to do with the Mugen Archive's discord, although Dizzy's spam/DDOS campaign against MFFA back in April and you guys's response to it might have been where he got the idea. Spam actually isn't even half the problem on MA that Dizzy would like people to think it is, most spammers on MA are actually welcomed by him since they provide a constant stream of the MUGEN equivalent of clickbait to net MA more of that precious traffic. When I made that post bringing up the concern of Dizzy doing this phone verification thing to harvest data, I wasn't actually sure that was his aim, I just wanted to bring it up since it's one of those things that everyone in that thread was thinking but no one actually wanted to say out of fear of getting banned by Dizzy. I knew him losing his shit and banning me was a possibility, and the fact that he did tells me my gut instinct about his intentions was right. People don't freak out over bullshit accusations, they freak out when someone hits too close to home.

 

20 hours ago, Darkflare said:

You got banned from MA, didn't you?

 

Yup, I've been on Dizzy's shitlist since 2017 for calling him out on how he handled the Cesarsombra/Cesarshadow thing (his mods permabanned the guy for hate speech against myself and others, but Dizzy reversed it because Cesar donates a portion of his autismbux to MA every month). I've tried to give the dude the benefit of the doubt, even after the community weekends (a thing I'm mostly sure by now he does just to screw with his new users for the fun of it) and his driving off several of my good friends on that side. The dude's got obvious mental health issues and I tried to take that into account for the longest time, but after I did some digging and found out about his past and BladeArt and the scummy things he did under that name, I just completely lost any trace of anything even remotely resembling respect for the guy.

 

One thing that you and the other people who were burned by the Mugen Archive years ago can take comfort in: Dizzy is absolute and completely obsessed with you guys. Like, honest-to-god, malignant paranoid narcissist levels of obsessed. It's one of the first thing I noticed about him, he's talking about "his haters" constantly, I believe the phrase "living rent free in the head" was coined for people like him. It's even kinda funny in a sad way, he makes enemies for himself with his antisocial jackass behavior, then obsesses over those enemies and abuses his members because he thinks they're possible enemies/enemies in disguise, thereby creating more actual enemies for himself, and on and on it goes. The best thing that could happen to the Mugen Archive would be if the person actually keeping it afloat (Justice would be my guess) realized how toxic Dizzy is and kicked his useless ass to the curb. Everything else about the site runs like a top, it's just Dizzy himself that's the problem.

 

18 hours ago, IDGCaptainRussia said:

I would have to agree, at this point this isn't about blacklisting the site from sharing content. I think we can all agree that there's only 1 person pulling all the strings and using the archive's hosted content exclusivity as a means to enthrall users to serve Dizzy.

 

Please don't get the wrong impression from my post. Dizzy's not pulling any strings, he doesn't have the brains for it. He's more the figurehead of MA, a moron who gets the front-facing work while the real brains behind the site keep it running from the background. If you want an idea of what kind of brain trust you're dealing with in Dizzy, read this post about incompetent Amazon managers. Because that's all Dizzy is, an incompetent warehouse manager constantly throwing bad ideas at a wall to see if any of them stick. MA is successful despite Dizzy, not because of him (being the only warehousing game in town since the death of Mugen Infantry also helps).

 

2 hours ago, RicePigeon said:

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't just ban you right now for flamebaiting & making threats of violence against members of the site. You have 24 hours, starting now.

 

I can give you one: this guy (who is either one of Dizzy's pet speds or yet another sock for Dizzy/BladeArt himself) is so nuts that he should absolutely be allowed to speak freely. Let this loon tell the world exactly the kind of mentality that supports Dizzy of the Mugen Archive. Go on, @sero, tell us more about how anyone who speaks out against your master should have their bones broken. Tell us all about what you and Dizzy would do to anyone who dares criticize the almighty jackass in chief of the Mugen Archive if only you and him had any actual power outside of his sad little Internet fiefdom.

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Respectfully corrected, very good points, I've mostly only been watching from the side lines and making rational judgement from what I've seen so what I say can't be taken with ut-most truth.

I am sorry for thinking Dizzy might have had more than 60 IQ, but pulling strings or not, he's still got power he can easily abuse.

Still, that power is not the same power running the archive, and is NOT the same as those leading it. And seeing as Dizzy values money gain and greed so dearly to unban paying users, it would make sense that the techies and the ones really pulling the strings behind the archive only put up with him because the operation pays out well enough.

As far as all of "those" people are concerned, it "works" and shouldn't changed as it benefits them; this is where the problems arise with all other parties involved.

 

 I've said it before and I'll say it again: The archive isn't bad in of itself, it's just as a power hungry narcissist at the helm of it all. If it wasn't for Dizzy and the archive had proper leadership, it could very well be one of MUGEN's largest boons to ever exist... Like it used to be years ago when it was first founded... We can only hope that won't be just a memory from a bygone era.

 

Clock is ticking @sero, try to be respectful and reasonable when you do explain, I mean we're all doing it for you when really, we shouldn't be... But we're better people than Dizzy.
And one thing we do is give the benefit of the doubt; an act of mercy on our part and chance of self-vindication on yours.

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5 hours ago, Milbury said:

if the person actually keeping it afloat (Justice would be my guess)

Justice is a bot. The webmaster is That Man.

 

Actually, as a followup to what I said earlier about the original members of staff having a Guilty Gear theme, I decided to see who the earliest members were and found something kinda interesting:

Member 1 is That Man, which is to be expected since he's the webmaster.

Member 2 is Justice.

Member 3 is Dizzy.

Member 4 is Ky, which doesn't seem like much of an active account.

Member 5 is Sol.

And then this theme continues all the way up until member 26, who seems to be the first actual member to sign up.

 

So basically, members 1 to 25 are all themed after Guilty Gear characters that (with the exception of That Man, Justice, Dizzy, and Sol) all have the Support Staff role; in addition, they were all created on the same day (18th April 2009) outside of That Man, who was created six days earlier. Perhaps they're generic placeholder accounts that Dizzy loans out to friends? Fun bit of trivia nonetheless.

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Its totally up to you guys if you want to keep it blacklisted or not, if you think your ready you can lift it anytime you feel comfortable. Personally I would keep it blacklisted for now,  things still seem a little awkward there at the moment at MA especially for downloading purposes.

I've been away from the mugen community for 3 years so I would not know what went down to lead to things the way they are now. Last time I was there was that surprise community weekend thing which restricts download to guest users who are not members or low ranked ones

, it was confusing to me but I was busy uploading stuff from the old geosite websites they were shutting down within that months span around the same time the adfly debate was going on. I don't know maybe Ill suggest in the MA forums to shorten that Community weekend to day maybe Saturday or Sunday if they take consideration  fine if not ok that's fine too at least I tried.

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