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As far as I can tell, the phone verification thing doesn't even have anything to do with the Mugen Archive's discord, although Dizzy's spam/DDOS campaign against MFFA back in April and you guys's response to it might have been where he got the idea. Spam actually isn't even half the problem on MA that Dizzy would like people to think it is, most spammers on MA are actually welcomed by him since they provide a constant stream of the MUGEN equivalent of clickbait to net MA more of that precious traffic. When I made that post bringing up the concern of Dizzy doing this phone verification thing to harvest data, I wasn't actually sure that was his aim, I just wanted to bring it up since it's one of those things that everyone in that thread was thinking but no one actually wanted to say out of fear of getting banned by Dizzy. I knew him losing his shit and banning me was a possibility, and the fact that he did tells me my gut instinct about his intentions was right. People don't freak out over bullshit accusations, they freak out when someone hits too close to home.
 
 
Yup, I've been on Dizzy's shitlist since 2017 for calling him out on how he handled the Cesarsombra/Cesarshadow thing (his mods permabanned the guy for hate speech against myself and others, but Dizzy reversed it because Cesar donates a portion of his autismbux to MA every month). I've tried to give the dude the benefit of the doubt, even after the community weekends (a thing I'm mostly sure by now he does just to screw with his new users for the fun of it) and his driving off several of my good friends on that side. The dude's got obvious mental health issues and I tried to take that into account for the longest time, but after I did some digging and found out about his past and BladeArt and the scummy things he did under that name, I just completely lost any trace of anything even remotely resembling respect for the guy.
 
One thing that you and the other people who were burned by the Mugen Archive years ago can take comfort in: Dizzy is absolute and completely obsessed with you guys. Like, honest-to-god, malignant paranoid narcissist levels of obsessed. It's one of the first thing I noticed about him, he's talking about "his haters" constantly, I believe the phrase "living rent free in the head" was coined for people like him. It's even kinda funny in a sad way, he makes enemies for himself with his antisocial jackass behavior, then obsesses over those enemies and abuses his members because he thinks they're possible enemies/enemies in disguise, thereby creating more actual enemies for himself, and on and on it goes. The best thing that could happen to the Mugen Archive would be if the person actually keeping it afloat (Justice would be my guess) realized how toxic Dizzy is and kicked his useless ass to the curb. Everything else about the site runs like a top, it's just Dizzy himself that's the problem.
 
 
Please don't get the wrong impression from my post. Dizzy's not pulling any strings, he doesn't have the brains for it. He's more the figurehead of MA, a moron who gets the front-facing work while the real brains behind the site keep it running from the background. If you want an idea of what kind of brain trust you're dealing with in Dizzy, read this post about incompetent Amazon managers. Because that's all Dizzy is, an incompetent warehouse manager constantly throwing bad ideas at a wall to see if any of them stick. MA is successful despite Dizzy, not because of him (being the only warehousing game in town since the death of Mugen Infantry also helps).
 
 
I can give you one: this guy (who is either one of Dizzy's pet speds or yet another sock for Dizzy/BladeArt himself) is so nuts that he should absolutely be allowed to speak freely. Let this loon tell the world exactly the kind of mentality that supports Dizzy of the Mugen Archive. Go on, @sero, tell us more about how anyone who speaks out against your master should have their bones broken. Tell us all about what you and Dizzy would do to anyone who dares criticize the almighty jackass in chief of the Mugen Archive if only you and him had any actual power outside of his sad little Internet fiefdom.

As far as I can tell, the phone verification thing doesn't even have anything to do with the Mugen Archive's discord, although Dizzy's spam/DDOS campaign against MFFA back in April and you guys's response to it might have been where he got the idea. Spam actually isn't even half the problem on MA that Dizzy would like people to think it is, most spammers on MA are actually welcomed by him since they provide a constant stream of the MUGEN equivalent of clickbait to net MA more of that precious traffic. When I made that post bringing up the concern of Dizzy doing this phone verification thing to harvest data, I wasn't actually sure that was his aim, I just wanted to bring it up since it's one of those things that everyone in that thread was thinking but no one actually wanted to say out of fear of getting banned by Dizzy. I knew him losing his shit and banning me was a possibility, and the fact that he did tells me my gut instinct about his intentions was right. People don't freak out over bullshit accusations, they freak out when someone hits too close to home.
 
 
Yup, I've been on Dizzy's shitlist since 2017 for calling him out on how he handled the Cesarsombra/Cesarshadow thing (his mods permabanned the guy for hate speech against myself and others, but Dizzy reversed it because Cesar donates a portion of his autismbux to MA every month). I've tried to give the dude the benefit of the doubt, even after the community weekends (a thing I'm mostly sure by now he does just to screw with his new users for the fun of it) and his driving off several of my good friends on that side. The dude's got obvious mental health issues and I tried to take that into account for the longest time, but after I did some digging and found out about his past and BladeArt and the scummy things he did under that name, I just completely lost any trace of anything even remotely resembling respect for the guy.
 
One thing that you and the other people who were burned by the Mugen Archive years ago can take comfort in: Dizzy is absolute and completely obsessed with you guys. Like, honest-to-god, malignant paranoid narcissist levels of obsessed. It's one of the first thing I noticed about him, he's talking about "his haters" constantly, I believe the phrase "living rent free in the head" was coined for people like him. It's even kinda funny in a sad way, he makes enemies for himself with his antisocial jackass behavior, then obsesses over those enemies and abuses his members because he thinks they're possible enemies/enemies in disguise, thereby creating more actual enemies for himself, and on and on it goes. The best thing that could happen to the Mugen Archive would be if the person actually keeping it afloat (Justice would be my guess) realized how toxic Dizzy is and kicked his useless ass to the curb. Everything else about the site runs like a top, it's just Dizzy himself that's the problem.
 
 
Please don't get the wrong impression from my post. Dizzy's not pulling any strings, he doesn't have the brains for it. He's more the figurehead of MA, a moron who gets the front-facing work while the real brains behind the site keep it running from the background. If you want an idea of what kind of brain trust you're dealing with in Dizzy, read this post about incompetent Amazon managers. Because that's all Dizzy is, an incompetent warehouse manager constantly throwing bad ideas at a wall to see if any of them stick. MA is successful despite Dizzy, not because of him (being the only warehousing game in town since the death of Mugen Infantry also helps).
 
 
I can give you one: this guy (who is either one of Dizzy's pet speds or yet another sock for Dizzy/BladeArt himself) is so nuts that he should absolutely be allowed to speak freely. Let this loon tell the world exactly the kind of mentality that supports Dizzy of the Mugen Archive. Go on, @sero, tell us more about how anyone who speaks out against your master should have their bones broken. Tell us all about what you and Dizzy would do to anyone who dares criticize the almighty jackass in chief of the Mugen Archive if only you and him had any actual power outside of his sad little Internet fiefdom.

As far as I can tell, the phone verification thing doesn't even have anything to do with the Mugen Archive's discord, although Dizzy's spam/DDOS campaign against MFFA back in April and you guys's response to it might have been where he got the idea. Spam actually isn't even half the problem on MA that Dizzy would like people to think it is, most spammers on MA are actually welcomed by him since they provide a constant stream of the MUGEN equivalent of clickbait to net MA more of that precious traffic. When I made that post bringing up the concern of Dizzy doing this phone verification thing to harvest data, I wasn't actually sure that was his aim, I just wanted to bring it up since it's one of those things that everyone in that thread was thinking but no one actually wanted to say out of fear of getting banned by Dizzy. I knew him losing his shit and banning me was a possibility, and the fact that he did tells me my gut instinct about his intentions was right. People don't freak out over bullshit accusations, they freak out when someone hits too close to home.
 
 
Yup, I've been on Dizzy's shitlist since 2017 for calling him out on how he handled the Cesarsombra/Cesarshadow thing (his mods permabanned the guy for hate speech against myself and others, but Dizzy reversed it because Cesar donates a portion of his autismbux to MA every month). I've tried to give the dude the benefit of the doubt, even after the community weekends (a thing I'm mostly sure by now he does just to screw with his new users for the fun of it) and his driving off several of my good friends on that side. The dude's got obvious mental health issues and I tried to take that into account for the longest time, but after I did some digging and found out about his past and BladeArt and the scummy things he did under that name, I just completely lost any trace of anything even remotely resembling respect for the guy.
 
One thing that you and the other people who were burned by the Mugen Archive years ago can take comfort in: Dizzy is absolute and completely obsessed with you guys. Like, honest-to-god, malignant paranoid narcissist levels of obsessed. It's one of the first thing I noticed about him, he's talking about "his haters" constantly, I believe the phrase "living rent free in the head" was coined for people like him. It's even kinda funny in a sad way, he makes enemies for himself with his antisocial jackass behavior, then obsesses over those enemies and abuses his members because he thinks they're possible enemies/enemies in disguise, thereby creating more actual enemies for himself, and on and on it goes. The best thing that could happen to the Mugen Archive would be if the person actually keeping it afloat (Justice would be my guess) realized how toxic Dizzy is and kicked his useless ass to the curb. Everything else about the site runs like a top, it's just Dizzy himself that's the problem.
 
 
Please don't get the wrong impression from my post. Dizzy's not pulling any strings, he doesn't have the brains for it. He's more the figurehead of MA, a moron who gets the front-facing work while the real brains behind the site keep it running from the background. If you want an idea of what kind of brain trust you're dealing with in Dizzy, read this post about incompetent Amazon managers. Because that's all Dizzy is, an incompetent warehouse manager constantly throwing bad ideas at a wall to see if any of them stick. MA is successful despite Dizzy, not because of him (being the only warehousing game in town since the death of Mugen Infantry also helps).
 
 
I can give you one: this guy (who is either one of Dizzy's pet speds or yet another sock for Dizzy/BladeArt himself) is so nuts that he should absolutely be allowed to speak freely. Let this loon tell the world exactly the kind of mentality that supports Dizzy of the Mugen Archive. Go on, @sero, tell us more about how anyone who speaks out against your master should have their bones broken. Tell us all about what you and Dizzy would do to anyone who dares criticize the almighty jackass in chief of the Mugen Archive if only you and him had any actual power outside of his sad little Internet fiefdom.

@Darkflare I'm afraid I owe you an apology. I tried to be fair and evenhanded when I was here last, but as it turns out you were completely right about Mugen Archive... or rather about Dizzy, since for all intents and purposes Dizzy is the Mugen Archive (if there are other mods, they just let him do whatever he wants).
 
I think I'm gonna take a break from Mugen for a little while, but before I did I felt like I need to let the MUGEN community know something. Right now, there's a "debate" going on at MA (in this thread) over forcing new users to submit their phone numbers for verification. Everyone, here and everywhere should know that this is almost certainly a data mining scheme of Dizzy's to harvest user information to sell. I called him out on the possibility of this (I wasn't sure yet) in this post which was instantly nuked by Dizzy. I'd taken a screencap of it in advance because I thought he might pull something like that, and lo and behold. I tried to give Dizzy the benefit of the doubt there (for what little benefit of the doubt he deserves at this point), but the speed at which that post was nuked erased any doubt in my mind to Dizzy's intentions. When he implements phone verification (and it's a when, not an if; Dizzy only pretends to listen to the MA community to keep up appearances), I'd be very careful about any data I submitted to his site if I was a new user. He wouldn't be so aggressive about this scheme of his if there wasn't something in it for him.
 
To you old timers who tried to warn me about MA the last time I was here, I apologize for my skepticism. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt but Dizzy aka BladeArt has proven himself to be a bad faith actor. He hides behind a cute anime girl name and avatar so people feel uncomfortable about criticizing his incompetent modding, and if they criticize him anyway, he bans them. He gives nothing to the MUGEN community, he only takes, and on top of that he's driven off several content creators with his sociopathic behavior. He's a disease infecting the MUGEN community, and my only regret is I didn't see that sooner.

As far as I can tell, the phone verification thing doesn't even have anything to do with the Mugen Archive's discord, although Dizzy's spam/DDOS campaign against MFFA back in April and you guys's response to it might have been where he got the idea. Spam actually isn't even half the problem on MA that Dizzy would like people to think it is, most spammers on MA are actually welcomed by him since they provide a constant stream of the MUGEN equivalent of clickbait to net MA more of that precious traffic. When I made that post bringing up the concern of Dizzy doing this phone verification thing to harvest data, I wasn't actually sure that was his aim, I just wanted to bring it up since it's one of those things that everyone in that thread was thinking but no one actually wanted to say out of fear of getting banned by Dizzy. I knew him losing his shit and banning me was a possibility, and the fact that he did tells me my gut instinct about his intentions was right. People don't freak out over bullshit accusations, they freak out when someone hits too close to home.
 
 
Yup, I've been on Dizzy's shitlist since 2017 for calling him out on how he handled the Cesarsombra/Cesarshadow thing (his mods permabanned the guy for hate speech against myself and others, but Dizzy reversed it because Cesar donates a portion of his autismbux to MA every month). I've tried to give the dude the benefit of the doubt, even after the community weekends (a thing I'm mostly sure by now he does just to screw with his new users for the fun of it) and his driving off several of my good friends on that side. The dude's got obvious mental health issues and I tried to take that into account for the longest time, but after I did some digging and found out about his past and BladeArt and the scummy things he did under that name, I just completely lost any trace of anything even remotely resembling respect for the guy.
 
One thing that you and the other people who were burned by the Mugen Archive years ago can take comfort in: Dizzy is absolute and completely obsessed with you guys. Like, honest-to-god, malignant paranoid narcissist levels of obsessed. It's one of the first thing I noticed about him, he's talking about "his haters" constantly, I believe the phrase "living rent free in the head" was coined for people like him. It's even kinda funny in a sad way, he makes enemies for himself with his antisocial jackass behavior, then obsesses over those enemies and abuses his members because he thinks they're possible enemies/enemies in disguise, thereby creating more actual enemies for himself, and on and on it goes. The best thing that could happen to the Mugen Archive would be if the person actually keeping it afloat (Justice would be my guess) realized how toxic Dizzy is and kicked his useless ass to the curb. Everything else about the site runs like a top, it's just Dizzy himself that's the problem.
 
 
Please don't get the wrong impression from my post. Dizzy's not pulling any strings, he doesn't have the brains for it. He's more the figurehead of MA, a moron who gets the front-facing work while the real brains behind the site keep it running from the background. If you want an idea of what kind of brain trust you're dealing with in Dizzy, read this post about incompetent Amazon managers. Because that's all Dizzy is, an incompetent warehouse manager constantly throwing bad ideas at a wall to see if any of them stick. MA is successful despite Dizzy, not because of him (being the only warehousing game in town since the death of Mugen Infantry also helps).
 
 
I can give you one: this guy (who is either one of Dizzy's pet speds or yet another sock for Dizzy/BladeArt himself) is so nuts that he should absolutely be allowed to speak freely. Let this loon tell the world exactly the kind of mentality that supports Dizzy of the Mugen Archive. Go on, @sero, tell us more about how anyone who speaks out against your master should have their bones broken. Tell us all about what you and Dizzy would do to anyone who dares criticize the almighty jackass in chief of the Mugen Archive if only you and him had any actual power outside of his sad little Internet fiefdom.

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't just ban you right now for flamebaiting & making threats of violence against members of the site. You have 24 hours, starting now.

https://<BLACKLISTED URL>/eu-cookie/privacy.html
"The MUGEN ARCHIVE does not sell or trade any user information to any third party. "
 
when you say they sell your info without proof, it's called defamation
and when covered by admins (who claim that asking for a proof = trolling = ban) , it's called organized crime
mffa is a criminal site
 
why do I bother tho, this post will be deleted to cover up the hate hive mind
why do I bother tho, no one ever turned into a well educated person upon being told they're little thugs
why do I bother tho, no one ever regained their sanity upon being told they're batshit craze
 
one thing bothers me tho, mugen archive is being way to soft ... their "haters gonna hate" or "don't fed the trollz" stance is way too soft, if not bollocks
you can't stop criminals with flowers, you've got to break their fucking bones to stop them
mugen archive ought to have loads of money and money is power, why they don't use that power to destroy you is beyond me
is it because they don't take you seriously ? I don't know but it's time to harden up
 
I've posted an article on the matter : www.reddit.com/r/mugenguild/comments/bu49vi/my_personal_thoughts_about_the_mugen_wars/
The main point is the internet is a lawless place when mental retards can get away with anything till they get someone killed. That's why I think mugen archive needs to harden up and break you once and for all because it's clear brutality is the only thing you could ever understand.
 
and I would hate being entirely off topic
this whole thread is a bad joke, banning mugen archive for adfly (which they don't even have) and yet adfly links are all over mffa, and yet you didn't blacklist yourself? go figure, just a big fucking joke for whoever is stupid enough to buy it

I would have to agree, at this point this isn't about blacklisting the site from sharing content. I think we can all agree that there's only 1 person pulling all the strings and using the archive's hosted content exclusivity as a means to enthrall users to serve Dizzy.
 
We went from ad.fly, something legit creators across the internet use as a donation option (note: option, most still provide alternative direct link for those who don't want to use ad.fly) to what I can only describe now as a scandal.
 
This is really starting to get bad, I told a friend about this and they described it as "Facebook scandal" levels of bad.
 
I think the only way this is going to stop is to take Dizzy's power aware, and I can only see that happening through 2 means:
1: Legal action against him by the masses and a binding judgement to keep him in check.
2: Educate the masses, a popular youtuber or other media outlet to warns users en-mass about what the archive "really" is.
 
Agreed, the archive is a novel idea, just in the wrong hands of the wrong people with the wrong amount of power.
 
 
Not just the avatar, he's quite literally using the same name as well as that character. I am unsure if this is meant to intentional because of MUGEN, or he just really, really likes said character... Who knows, but that's not important right now.
EDIT: I'm not trying to sound like I'm "correcting" you Darkflare, just adding onto what you said.

You got banned from MA, didn't you?
 
Yea, I figured that one by looking at Diz's actions over the past....2-3 years or so. And while I can't prove it, I'm absolutely sure the DDOS that happened in April was MA's doing(Whether it was Dizzy or one of his MA zealots)
 
My opinion hasn't changed, in fact his recent actions has further reinforced my thoughts. Archive is a good idea in theory, but it's run by the worst kind of people.
 
 
It's from a video game. One of the best fighting game series even.

Someone brought up the phone verification thing in another discord a few days ago, so I'll sum up what I said then.
 
Dizzy's claim that their discord server is lively is, frankly, bullshit. Unless the MA staff is actively deleting 90%+ messages on a daily basis, the activity that I've witnessed there is very minimal, if not 0, with only a few messages every other day or so. While I can't speak about implementing phone verification on their forums & site as a whole since this is news to me, I can speak from experience that phone verification, at least on Discord, does almost nothing to stop spam attacks. In the aftermath of the DDoS we received in early April, we elevated the security to require phone verification and, while this stopped spam accounts from posting messages in our discord, it did nothing to stop them from saying what they wanted to say by making their user name the message, many of which were targeting the same individual. In the meantime, several legitimate accounts were negatively affected by this and unable to access our discord server either because they were unable or unwilling to disclose a cell phone number for verification purposes, some going far as citing privacy concerns (and rightfully so); this led to us creating a workaround by granting known users a dummy "approved" role so they wouldn't be affected by this change, which we eventually rescinded because of the undue burden it was putting on legitimate users while doing nothing to stop the influx of spam accounts, and I have no doubt in my mind that something similar could happen to MA if they do decide to go through with this.
 
Of course, if Dizzy is adamant on implementing this feature, he is either unable or (most likely) unwilling to take these negative repercussions into account.
 
EDIT; Seeing as this thread seems to be going in the direction of a general MA discussion thread, I'll be allowing the posting of MA links here for the purposes of providing context.

You know... If you made an account just now for trying to Gaslight MFFA and White Knight for MA, you failed really horribly.
I do agree that, in normal cases I would just write this whole (Archive deal) off as a "Fuck you" and walk away because this really is a bunch of BS. But Dizzy has far too much power and far too much hunger for it, and he's feeding off innocent people to get it.
I think many people will agree that cannot slide. Dizzy gained superiority through dishonest means and continues to do so, and honestly he's the only one who cares about being superior. The rest of us just want to see this BS come to an end.
 
You wanna tell me about Crime? How about how the Archive issued a DDOS attack against MFFA? MA threw the first punches and we've been merely defending back, who else would DDOS other mugen sites?
Though I am going to tell you oh so shiny White Knight of the archive, that if they do take serious action. They're in for ALOT worse than they know from entities that involve.
Do you think SNK or Capcom would feel comfortable knowing their work is involved in this BS? I know I wouldn't.
Just accept that MA is being run by a tyrant, and their choices are the whole
 
You know why we're not going to delete this message or lock you out? It's because we're NOT a hugbox, we can take drama, and I think we all agree that the Archive itself isn't what's evil, just their leading admin who pulls all the strings.

The original members of staff all have a Guilty Gear theme going on.
 
It's the same song and dance each time a new topic arises in this thread, though at least this time Captain Moron here revealed himself as dat-reddit-dud, which reminds me: who's the real toxic piece of shit here?

Because I'm thinking it's you @sero
 
I contributed positively to the MUGEN subreddit, yet you decided to pull this. For someone who likes to echo Dizzy words (hmm hmm) about providing evidence if you're going to accuse someone of something, you sure like to think it's OK to insult the ever-loving fuck out of me and accuse me of things I never did without proving I did them.

@Darkflare I'm afraid I owe you an apology. I tried to be fair and evenhanded when I was here last, but as it turns out you were completely right about Mugen Archive... or rather about Dizzy, since for all intents and purposes Dizzy is the Mugen Archive (if there are other mods, they just let him do whatever he wants).
 
I think I'm gonna take a break from Mugen for a little while, but before I did I felt like I need to let the MUGEN community know something. Right now, there's a "debate" going on at MA (in this thread) over forcing new users to submit their phone numbers for verification. Everyone, here and everywhere should know that this is almost certainly a data mining scheme of Dizzy's to harvest user information to sell. I called him out on the possibility of this (I wasn't sure yet) in this post which was instantly nuked by Dizzy. I'd taken a screencap of it in advance because I thought he might pull something like that, and lo and behold. I tried to give Dizzy the benefit of the doubt there (for what little benefit of the doubt he deserves at this point), but the speed at which that post was nuked erased any doubt in my mind to Dizzy's intentions. When he implements phone verification (and it's a when, not an if; Dizzy only pretends to listen to the MA community to keep up appearances), I'd be very careful about any data I submitted to his site if I was a new user. He wouldn't be so aggressive about this scheme of his if there wasn't something in it for him.
 
To you old timers who tried to warn me about MA the last time I was here, I apologize for my skepticism. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt but Dizzy aka BladeArt has proven himself to be a bad faith actor. He hides behind a cute anime girl name and avatar so people feel uncomfortable about criticizing his incompetent modding, and if they criticize him anyway, he bans them. He gives nothing to the MUGEN community, he only takes, and on top of that he's driven off several content creators with his sociopathic behavior. He's a disease infecting the MUGEN community, and my only regret is I didn't see that sooner.

Well said my dude. Plus I suggested that they add a "download later" option for Lurkers. So community weekend can be less of a problem so the Lurkers can download the file after the event is over. And that whole streamlining line was so true. Say if you wanted Jotaro by Warusaki3. What would you want to do? Get it fast and easy via going through a few pages? Or go find a Japanese website that you (likely) won't even be able to read? For most of us we would go with the first. Hell archive even has a thread just for files that need updating where you can give them the updated version and then they put that version over the older one. By the Mr Darkflare, if a creation was posted to Mugen Archive, made available only there and then somebody made a link for a different site, Would that also count a stealing?

Forgive me for being blunt, but I think you're being delusional or at the very least optimistic in the extreme on this. Also, saying "well if nobody has it besides MA then it must not have been that great to begin with" reeks of childlike thinking that is beneath you and is more the thing cesarshadow would say, "I can't get that thing? Well, fine, it sucks and I never wanted it anyway!" Since MA has seen considerable growth, it would seem most of the rest of the community does not agree with your assessment; even if we take for truth the very optimistic assumption that all of the Mugen Archive's tens of thousand of files are possessed by other members of the community (or are so bad that no one wants them), what does a person do if want a file that is only held by some lurker who does not engage with the community like I used to be? Post a topic here and hope I notice it and decide to be generous? The Archive streamlines that process, it provides a place where sharing files is as easy as clicking a button and filing out a few fields (wheras the only other option is to tediously register with a filesharing service) as well as find such characters. And yeah, most people that register accounts only do that to download files, but that would be the same here too if registering was required to view the download links.
 
 
Can you tell me in detail how it is accurate? Like I said, I'm willing to hear you out on this, even if I am skeptical.
 
 
If I was partisan I would be just mindlessly shilling for MA and would refuse to hear anything negative about them. I have already admitted your experiences with MA, whatever they may have been (you haven't told me in any detail yet) were valid, even if I am currently not convinced they were more than a single person's bad experiences.  If I was partisan I would refuse to listen to your side at all. As it is I am a supporter of MA but not a mindless one, i acknowledge they have both good and bad points and am willing to hear why you consider them more of a negative force than a positive one.

Mugen Archive hosts over 80,000 files. Say you got what you want and God wiped MA from the face of the Earth, do you think the MUGEN community would be better for it? Do you think all those files can be found elsewhere, or that all their long lost creators would return from the ether to provide them back to us? I have personally uploaded characters and stages to the Archives people believed were lost forever and I am just one of many, many people that uses the Archive for this purpose. Right now there is no other website in the MUGEN community that provides this service. Is it true that certain people shouldn't have power? Absolutely. Is it worth depriving the MUGEN community of its largest resource, simply because you and a handful of others feel that the people running it are evil incarnate?
 
 
Don't you think you're being just a little bit melodramatic here? At worst, Mugen Archive is a storehouse of files being run by unpleasant people (and I don't believe they're all that unpleasant). They're not a terrorist group or a child grooming ring or Hillary Clinton. (Amusingly, I also think you're underestimating Wal-Mart's capacity for paranoia and cross-competition subterfuge, but that's another topic entirely) They're certainly not giving anyone cancer (although I did visit an oncologist following exposure to cesarsombra's army of godawful Pokemon spriteswaps, just to be on the safe side!)
 
I'm willing to hear you out on this, dude, but you are coming across as slightly... uh, partisan on this issue.

Yeah, good luck with that one Cesar. Are you going to Internet sue me for making you chimp out too? You should try hiring Kevin Landau, I hear he's great at these cases!
By the way, no one is fooled by your "pretending to be your own girlfriend" shtick, it's just embarrassing like that time you claimed you found your own creations on the dark web and they were now being made by some Wakandan witch doctor name you obviously made up.
EDIT: Oh, and I already told you I'm not Edmund, that's a friend of mine I shared your posts with and he dug up all that fun stuff on you for me. You would understand how this works if you had any friends, my man!
 
 
It'd just be the latest on a long list of places that have banned him.
 
I'll be honest, man, I read your earlier posts in this thread and it seems like you have some personal beef with the Archive. Not to the point of losing your mind over it like some people I could name, but I think you're approaching this thing with the Archives from a place of personal feelings rather than thinking about how it benefits the community, regardless of how the Archive's administrators may or may not behave. Honestly people up and down this community have behaved badly for years, I don't like it but that's a fact. You may feel that the leadership of the Archives are assholes, that's your prerogative and might even be true, but they still provide a useful service to the MUGEN community, one that afaik no website does anymore. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the links here on MFFA are all on Mediafire, yeah? That can go down like other file sharing sites have gone down in the past (sometimes I wonder how much MUGEN content was lost forever when megaupload got shoa'd into oblivion), but Mugen Archive hosts its own content and has already outlived the usual lifespan for a MUGEN community. Like it or not, they're here to stay.
 
I regard refusing to use the Archives out of principle as refusing to go to the local Wal-Mart out of principle and driving out of your way to tinier grocery stores instead... sure, Wal-Mart is a soul-crushing corporation and its leadership is a giant bag of dicks (not saying the Archives is equivalent; I've had only good experiences with them, though I respect that your experiences went rather the other way), but it's not really accomplishing anything except inconveniencing yourself. If you want to, more power to you, but try to understand why some people just shrug and get their groceries from the place that's cheapest and most convenient to them instead. Similarly, I think upholding the blacklist out of "principle" is as petty as upholding it just because this site's leadership doesn't like that site's leadership. I'm not arguing for it to go down outright, not when MFFA is still blacklisted there, but I think this is an issue both communities are behaving somewhat childishly about.

Yeah, good luck with that one Cesar. Are you going to Internet sue me for making you chimp out too? You should try hiring Kevin Landau, I hear he's great at these cases!
By the way, no one is fooled by your "pretending to be your own girlfriend" shtick, it's just embarrassing like that time you claimed you found your own creations on the dark web and they were now being made by some Wakandan witch doctor name you obviously made up.
EDIT: Oh, and I already told you I'm not Edmund, that's a friend of mine I shared your posts with and he dug up all that fun stuff on you for me. You would understand how this works if you had any friends, my man!
 
 
It'd just be the latest on a long list of places that have banned him.
 
I'll be honest, man, I read your earlier posts in this thread and it seems like you have some personal beef with the Archive. Not to the point of losing your mind over it like some people I could name, but I think you're approaching this thing with the Archives from a place of personal feelings rather than thinking about how it benefits the community, regardless of how the Archive's administrators may or may not behave. Honestly people up and down this community have behaved badly for years, I don't like it but that's a fact. You may feel that the leadership of the Archives are assholes, that's your prerogative and might even be true, but they still provide a useful service to the MUGEN community, one that afaik no website does anymore. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the links here on MFFA are all on Mediafire, yeah? That can go down like other file sharing sites have gone down in the past (sometimes I wonder how much MUGEN content was lost forever when megaupload got shoa'd into oblivion), but Mugen Archive hosts its own content and has already outlived the usual lifespan for a MUGEN community. Like it or not, they're here to stay.
 
I regard refusing to use the Archives out of principle as refusing to go to the local Wal-Mart out of principle and driving out of your way to tinier grocery stores instead... sure, Wal-Mart is a soul-crushing corporation and its leadership is a giant bag of dicks (not saying the Archives is equivalent; I've had only good experiences with them, though I respect that your experiences went rather the other way), but it's not really accomplishing anything except inconveniencing yourself. If you want to, more power to you, but try to understand why some people just shrug and get their groceries from the place that's cheapest and most convenient to them instead. Similarly, I think upholding the blacklist out of "principle" is as petty as upholding it just because this site's leadership doesn't like that site's leadership. I'm not arguing for it to go down outright, not when MFFA is still blacklisted there, but I think this is an issue both communities are behaving somewhat childishly about.

Mugen Archive hosts over 80,000 files. Say you got what you want and God wiped MA from the face of the Earth, do you think the MUGEN community would be better for it? Do you think all those files can be found elsewhere, or that all their long lost creators would return from the ether to provide them back to us? I have personally uploaded characters and stages to the Archives people believed were lost forever and I am just one of many, many people that uses the Archive for this purpose. Right now there is no other website in the MUGEN community that provides this service. Is it true that certain people shouldn't have power? Absolutely. Is it worth depriving the MUGEN community of its largest resource, simply because you and a handful of others feel that the people running it are evil incarnate?
 
 
Don't you think you're being just a little bit melodramatic here? At worst, Mugen Archive is a storehouse of files being run by unpleasant people (and I don't believe they're all that unpleasant). They're not a terrorist group or a child grooming ring or Hillary Clinton. (Amusingly, I also think you're underestimating Wal-Mart's capacity for paranoia and cross-competition subterfuge, but that's another topic entirely) They're certainly not giving anyone cancer (although I did visit an oncologist following exposure to cesarsombra's army of godawful Pokemon spriteswaps, just to be on the safe side!)
 
I'm willing to hear you out on this, dude, but you are coming across as slightly... uh, partisan on this issue.

Let's be honest, cesarsombra, you're just mad that the Mugen Archives slapped you with a permaban for sperging out calling users every Spanish profanity in your tiny little head.
(By the way, remember me? Yeah, you do!)
 
Setting aside the Chris-Chan of MUGEN... I'm of two minds about this thread's topic. As anyone reading it might have gathered, I'm a Mugen Archive user. In fact, up until ten minutes ago, I was pretty much a Mugen Archive user exclusively, I knew of this website and occasionally used it as a lurker for resources, but I found the links here to be dead more often than not and so grew to reply on the Archive more.
 
I believe, and have believed for the 12 years now that I've been a part of this hobby, that the hatred of "warehousing" is stupid and that creators who get upset when their works are hosted elsewhere (or, god forbid, edited by other users) are being silly. This is fundamentally a hobby about sharing, and people who take the Nemo's Seagull attitude of "MINE! MINE! MINE!" are missing the point, I think. So I agree strongly with the Archive's mission and am glad it exists. It fills a role that used to be filled by the old Mugen Infantry (anybody remember them?) and is frankly invaluable to the MUGEN community imo.
 
That said, I have recently learned that the Archives has MFFA blacklisted as this website apparently has MA blacklisted. It's petty on both ends, I think. Silly tit for tat stuff that most of us, being functioning adults (ahem) should be above. But if the Archive blacklists MFFA, I can't reasonably argue for MFFA to lower its own blacklist, unless there were some sort of mutual agreement between the two websites.
 
So that's my stance. I don't agree with the Archives being blacklisted, but seeing as it blacklists MFFA, I would be rather a hypocrite to argue for one side to lower its blacklist and not the other.

Yep I knew it. Your Cesar. Well then, why don't you try to bull the same stuff here Mr Cesar? I'm pretty sure Matt would loooooooooove those creations.

Sorry, what?
 
 

Mugen Archive has declared that they are no longer concerned with the rest of the mugen community (they don't care about the blacklist anymore) and instead are going to focus on their community instead and work on improving the website/forum for their own members. I know this firsthand as I'm usually over there actively participating there.
 
Personally (concerning the blacklist) I think the big issue was that losing the shared traffic from MFG to MA was going to affect the Archive Community negatively; however, the forum/website is growing and has strong & steady activity despite the blacklist policy from MFG and any others. It was initially perceived that it would have a big impact given that MFG has great influence over other mugen communities such as mugenfreeforall (included in support of the blacklist).
 
MugenMultiverse also had a similar panic when their hosting was booted out of guild after the admins had a personal squabble.  
 
However,
 
I think Mugen Archive is pretty much moving on now seeing that there was no threat after all. The Archive's content collecting service is valuable enough to keep it relevant in the mugen community alone. The visiting/activity and downloads count pretty much confirms this assessment. People will visit it regardless of linking from other websites/forums just because of the content collection on dedicated servers and the community desire for that content on these servers. 
 
Whatever mugenfreeforall wants to do in regards to Mugen Archive links has to consider the positives and the negatives.
 
+ The positives are that additional links to a download would be greatly appreciated by its members in case of expired links, just having more options to download from wherever, would be very appreciated by their community. No one wants expired/dead links...
 
- The negative that I can see is that just by having links to Mugen Archive here on mugen free for all,, Mugenfreeforall may very well lose shared traffic from Mugen fighters Guild and may themselves be included in mugen fighters guild's blacklist! Basically being a third party "gateway" may be enough to kick freeforall out of (MFG's) their loop. Given that mffa supported the blacklist may indicate that they rely on mfg's linking privileges and shared traffic exposure; that or they really are concerned about ads and possible viruses. 
 
 
To be personally honest (please don't be offended) as a member with mugen free for all, I just visit here to check on my old threads periodically but I'm considering duplicating them to mugen archive, NO offense! The truth is I hardly download here because archive pretty much has everything guild and freeforall have but in one location with links that don't expire! Though I am still fond of the freeforall community and I think it can continue strong and the mugen community in general would benefit from more mugen communities in general as there are hardly anymore out here these days except for the same ones that seem to get smaller and smaller. 
 
So I recommend one of 2 things to keep this place hip and happening. 
 
1, get creator activity like MFG or mugenmultiverse. Members such as myself like new, and want more. If you can get member activity up by doing more wips and releasing new stuff, it can benefit traffic here greatly like it does mfg or mugenmultiverse. 
 
or
 
2, adopt a similar system to mugen archive and host content directly to mffa and build a real warehouse/database. I would certainly and personally appreciate this as a member and would visit here to download as well, especially if I can't find the content I'm looking for in archive, it could be found here! Also if a server should fail elsewhere then you would be an alternative source. Members hates website/forum maintenance, and they will go other places to get their mugen fix. 
 
The issue though is putting more money to get that hosting is a gamble, if no one visits even after the direct hosting service is instated then you basically blew a lot of money on little to no pay back at all and then you're just out. Also if you do decide to go this route, you will have to seriously consider putting in ads to help with the additional cost or get donations of some sort to help support this.
 
 
Anyway, my best wishes to mffa and I hope whatever you choose goes well for this place. Good luck ;)

 

Yes. It would make life hella easier. Though alt links should still be a option. Although I do think I should personally send a message to the feedback form about community weekends.  Mainly about making it more clear what it is and changing the banner to make it more obvious it is a community weekend. And as of late I've been including alternate links when possible. However to reply on Dark's comment, well Sol sure is something. With his outdated memes and his rather interesting pages on the wiki.