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I find it silly that people thought Mega Evolution wouldn't come back. It was a pretty big addition to the series and some Pokemon that got a Mega Evolution benefited greatly from it (Mawile being the one people usually bring up).

 

And besides, it's given us some cool new designs for Pokemon (I love Mega Baby Kangaskhan!).

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Huge datamine incoming:

 

Spoiler

 

Gale Wings now only works if the user is at full HP (RIP Talonflame)

Gengar loses Levitate and gains Cursed Body

Pelipper now gets Drizzle

Torkoal now gets Drought

Vanilluxe and Alolan Ninetales now get Snow Warning

Gigalith now gets Sand Stream

Alolan Golem is Rock/Electric with new ability Galvanize (Normal-type moves become Electric-type, gains 30% base power increase)

Leech Life is now 80 base power (up from 20)

Diamond Storm now increases (Mega) Diancie's Defense by 2 stages

Beartic and Alolan Sandslash get a new ability called Slush Rush (Doubles speed during Hail)

Cosmog (Psychic) evolves into Cosmoem (Psychic) at level 43, which then evolves again at level 53 into either Solgaleo or Lunala, depending on game version.

Marshadow is Ghost/Fighting type with ability Technician.

The Ultra Beasts have actual species names, as well as the ability Beast Boost, which buffs their highest stat by 1 stage when they score a KO

UB-01 = Nihilego (Rock/Poison)

UB-02 Absorption = Buzzwhole (Bug/Fighting)

UB-02 Beauty = Pheromosa (Bug/Fighting)

UB-?? = Xurktree (Electric)
UB-?? = Celesteela (Steel/Flying)

UB-?? = Kartana (Grass/Steel)

UB-?? = Guzzlord (Dark/Dragon)
UB-?? = Necrozma (Psychic)

Zygarde obtained in Pokemon X & Y cannot get the ability Power Construct, similar to how Greninja caught in X & Y cannot gain Battle Bond.

Sucker Punch's base power was lowered from 80 to 70.

Flying Press's base power has been increased from 80 to 100.

Z-Moves can bypass Protect, Detect, Spiky Shield, and King's Shield, but gain a 75% power reduction by doing so

Kommo-o has 600 BST, confirmed to be this generation's psuedo-legendary.

Salandit's evolution, Salazzle, can only evolve from female Salandit.

New attack: Burn Up = Fire-type Special attack, 130 base power, 100% accuracy, removes the user's Fire-typing after use.

 

Some random base stat dumps:

 

(Solgaleo): 137/137/107/113/89/97

(Lunala): 137/113/89/137/107/97

(Marshadow): 90/125/80/90/90/125

(Kommo-o): 75/110/125/100/105/85

(Vikavolt): 77/70/90/145/75/43

(Silvally): 95/95/95/95/95/95

(Magearna): 80/95/115/130/115/65

(Wishiwashi School forme): 45/140/130/140/135/30

(Lycanroc Midday): 75/115/65/55/65/112

(Lycanroc (Midnight): 85/115/75/55/75/82

(Zygarde 10%): 54/100/71/61/85/115

(Zygarde 50%): 108/100/121/81/95/95

(Zygarde Complete): 216/100/121/91/95/85

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Ricepigeon said:

Huge datamine incoming:

 

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Gale Wings now only works if the user is at full HP (RIP Talonflame)

Gengar loses Levitate and gains Cursed Body

Pelipper now gets Drizzle

Torkoal now gets Drought

Vanilluxe and Alolan Ninetales now get Snow Warning

Gigalith now gets Sand Stream

Alolan Golem is Rock/Electric with new ability Galvanize (Normal-type moves become Electric-type, gains 30% base power increase)

Leech Life is now 80 base power (up from 20)

Diamond Storm now increases (Mega) Diancie's Defense by 2 stages

Beartic and Alolan Sandslash get a new ability called Slush Rush (Doubles speed during Hail)

Cosmog (Psychic) evolves into Cosmoem (Psychic) at level 43, which then evolves again at level 53 into either Solgaleo or Lunala, depending on game version.

Marshadow is Ghost/Fighting type with ability Technician.

The Ultra Beasts have actual species names, as well as the ability Beast Boost, which buffs their highest stat by 1 stage when they score a KO

UB-01 = Nihilego (Rock/Poison)

UB-02 Absorption = Buzzwhole (Bug/Fighting)

UB-02 Beauty = Pheromosa (Bug/Fighting)

UB-?? = Xurktree (Electric)
UB-?? = Celesteela (Steel/Flying)

UB-?? = Kartana (Grass/Steel)

UB-?? = Guzzlord (Dark/Dragon)
UB-?? = Necrozma (Psychic)

Zygarde obtained in Pokemon X & Y cannot get the ability Power Construct, similar to how Greninja caught in X & Y cannot gain Battle Bond.

Sucker Punch's base power was lowered from 80 to 70.

Flying Press's base power has been increased from 80 to 100.

Z-Moves can bypass Protect, Detect, Spiky Shield, and King's Shield, but gain a 75% power reduction by doing so

Kommo-o has 600 BST, confirmed to be this generation's psuedo-legendary.

Salandit's evolution, Salazzle, can only evolve from female Salandit.

New attack: Burn Up = Fire-type Special attack, 130 base power, 100% accuracy, removes the user's Fire-typing after use.

 

Some random base stat dumps:

 

(Solgaleo): 137/137/107/113/89/97

(Lunala): 137/113/89/137/107/97

(Marshadow): 90/125/80/90/90/125

(Kommo-o): 75/110/125/100/105/85

(Vikavolt): 77/70/90/145/75/43

(Silvally): 95/95/95/95/95/95

(Magearna): 80/95/115/130/115/65

(Wishiwashi School forme): 45/140/130/140/135/30

(Lycanroc Midday): 75/115/65/55/65/112

(Lycanroc (Midnight): 85/115/75/55/75/82

(Zygarde 10%): 54/100/71/61/85/115

(Zygarde 50%): 108/100/121/81/95/95

(Zygarde Complete): 216/100/121/91/95/85

 

 

 

I'm really glad they're updating some of the PU Pokemon (especially the Ice Type since it's a common type in PU) and lowering Talonflame, 

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On 11/8/2016 at 1:56 PM, Ricepigeon said:

Huge datamine incoming:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Gale Wings now only works if the user is at full HP (RIP Talonflame)

Gengar loses Levitate and gains Cursed Body

Pelipper now gets Drizzle

Torkoal now gets Drought

Vanilluxe and Alolan Ninetales now get Snow Warning

Gigalith now gets Sand Stream

Alolan Golem is Rock/Electric with new ability Galvanize (Normal-type moves become Electric-type, gains 30% base power increase)

Leech Life is now 80 base power (up from 20)

Diamond Storm now increases (Mega) Diancie's Defense by 2 stages

Beartic and Alolan Sandslash get a new ability called Slush Rush (Doubles speed during Hail)

Cosmog (Psychic) evolves into Cosmoem (Psychic) at level 43, which then evolves again at level 53 into either Solgaleo or Lunala, depending on game version.

Marshadow is Ghost/Fighting type with ability Technician.

The Ultra Beasts have actual species names, as well as the ability Beast Boost, which buffs their highest stat by 1 stage when they score a KO

UB-01 = Nihilego (Rock/Poison)

UB-02 Absorption = Buzzwhole (Bug/Fighting)

UB-02 Beauty = Pheromosa (Bug/Fighting)

UB-?? = Xurktree (Electric)
UB-?? = Celesteela (Steel/Flying)

UB-?? = Kartana (Grass/Steel)

UB-?? = Guzzlord (Dark/Dragon)
UB-?? = Necrozma (Psychic)

Zygarde obtained in Pokemon X & Y cannot get the ability Power Construct, similar to how Greninja caught in X & Y cannot gain Battle Bond.

Sucker Punch's base power was lowered from 80 to 70.

Flying Press's base power has been increased from 80 to 100.

Z-Moves can bypass Protect, Detect, Spiky Shield, and King's Shield, but gain a 75% power reduction by doing so

Kommo-o has 600 BST, confirmed to be this generation's psuedo-legendary.

Salandit's evolution, Salazzle, can only evolve from female Salandit.

New attack: Burn Up = Fire-type Special attack, 130 base power, 100% accuracy, removes the user's Fire-typing after use.

 

Some random base stat dumps:

 

(Solgaleo): 137/137/107/113/89/97

(Lunala): 137/113/89/137/107/97

(Marshadow): 90/125/80/90/90/125

(Kommo-o): 75/110/125/100/105/85

(Vikavolt): 77/70/90/145/75/43

(Silvally): 95/95/95/95/95/95

(Magearna): 80/95/115/130/115/65

(Wishiwashi School forme): 45/140/130/140/135/30

(Lycanroc Midday): 75/115/65/55/65/112

(Lycanroc (Midnight): 85/115/75/55/75/82

(Zygarde 10%): 54/100/71/61/85/115

(Zygarde 50%): 108/100/121/81/95/95

(Zygarde Complete): 216/100/121/91/95/85

 

 

 

Oh wow... they really data mined the game liked that already huh..... :-P

 

well this is kind of messed up knowing thier is now a less chance for  D/P/PL remake....

 

well it dosn't bother me much since i retired....

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On 11/7/2016 at 2:22 PM, Ricepigeon said:

So someone got their hands on the full version and is leaking info to 4chan...

 

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... but all I see is people bitching about how Decidueye's base Speed is lower than Chesnaught's. RIP Rowlet

 

Oh well

 

I hate how a Pokemon can have shit offensive stats, but no one cares. It can be completely unable to take hits, but no one cares. But if it's least important stat is just a wee bit low, then people cry BOTTOM TIER because it's not fast.

 

Also, after looking up most of the info on Sun/Moon, I don't think I want it very much. It sounds like a very bare-bones Pokemon offering. One thing I absolutely hated about Pokemon Black and White was how little to do there was outside of battling and exploring. Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire had secret bases, contests, the riddle house, and a few other things. Emerald added the Battle Frontier. Diamond and Pearl had super contests, and Platinum added even more to it, including the underground and a new Battle Frontier. HG/SS had the Pokeathelon and Pokemon Flip. Black/White had... Pokemon Musical. ...LAME! ...But it DID add Triple and Rotation Battles. B2/W2 added the Pokemon World Tournament, which was okay, but it wasn't the Battle Frontier. X/Y added Pokemon VR, Pokemon Amie, Super Training, and a few other minigames. OR/AS improved on some of the things from R/S and had a few other things.

And looking at Sun Moon, it basically has... nothing. No fun minigames, no diversions, just nothing but more of the same. Triple and Rotation battles are gone, bases are gone, the minigames around training and Amie are gone, just about EVERYTHING is gone. Pretty much the ONLY thing this really has going for it, from what I've seen, is Battle Royale. The Battle Tree is just the Battle Mason with nostalgia porn (which doesn't change the gameplay) and without Triple or Rotation Battles, Join Avenue is just more battling and walking around and talking, Hyper Training is Super Training without the minigames, Pokemon Refresh is Pokemon Amie without the minigames, and Pokemon Pelagio is just like Pokemon Musical, just stupid no-gameplay bullshit where you watch a bunch of pixels dance about the screen and collect stuff. Even the trials are just repackaged features with a different name. I like battling and whatnot, but added to the fact that this generation has so few Pokemon I even remotely like and there's no real diversions other than more of the same, this will NOT be a game I'm going to get anytime soon. Shame because I really like Pokemon, but I already have X and Omega Ruby, and Pokemon Sun and Moon sound like too much of a step back for me to justify paying 40 bucks for.

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